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Wow! Fantastic! I never expected near us so soon.

Many thanks for the info!

Here if the S4GRU "RF focused technical rundown" of the upcoming Samsung Galaxy SIII:

 

Source: http://s4gru.com/ind...aunch-imminent/

 

<snipped for brevity>

 

Given this excellent information provided to us by S4GRU... how would you say the Galaxy SII radio set compares to the Evo LTE? Is there any indication that the SIII will have the same radio problems that has seemed to plague prior Sammy devices?

 

Any technical insight into how these numbers compare would be appreciated. I'm ready for upgrade and the choice between the Evo and SIII is a hard one to make. I know it's all about what each specific user is looking for, but a significant difference in the build quality or range of the radios might tip the scales in either direction.

 

Thoughts?

As mentioned in the article linked first, those numbers suggest that the SGS3 has a slight edge in transmitting power.

The 10 MHz carrier bandwidth, also as mentioned in the article, isn't something that they expect Sprint to deploy during the life of the handsets, so it's basically a don't care.

Neither souce link mentioned receiver sensitivity, the other half of the transmit/receive story, so I think what's there is necessary but not sufficient information to decide which radios are going perform better.

 

 

Best Buy filled SOME preorders. I'm still waiting on mine, and I saw their preorder list in the store. I'm at the top as far as who didn't get their order filled, so as soon as they get another in, it's mine, but they have no idea when that will be.

 

The part that sucks is some Best Buy's got more than they needed. A friend, that doesn't like near me, went to BB, preordered, and got one on the spot because they had more than enough.

I agree completely and didn't say that all preorders were filled.

The situation is frustrating for many, including those that simply planned to buy one on the 25th from a Sprint store based on others getting theirs via preorder.

Sorry you didn't get yours, hope you do soon.

What adds to the puzzle is Sprint shipping free gel cases as an apology for the delay with the preorder deliveries.

I think that suggests that the preorder population was a large enough constituency that they wanted to buy goodwill after the delay.

If true, then like the original Evo, they must have not planned for the demand.

Best Buy and Radio Shack filled preorders, but according to Android Forums members, the supply at many stores was small to begin with.

So, I think that demand outstripped supply but the basis for my opinion is on skakey ground to be sure.

That's an understatement!.....what possibly could be the reasoning behind removing that ability?

Were you able to do it on nexus devices running stock 2.3 without a 3rd party app?....

 

I had my pals (trusted mods at AF and a few users) cross-check --> in stock ICS, the ability is simply gone, brand and OEM Android overlay notwithstanding.

As for why - my personal theory is that if you leave anything successful well enough alone long enough, some programmer or project manager or marketing group with clout will come along and fix it.

My life of software/hardware systems is full of people answering questions never asked, solving problems that didn't exist and adding feature without any regard for what they broke that made the solution worthwhile in the first place.

Buy me a brew, compadre, and I'll peel your ears back!!!

Inside Sprint Now, like s4gru.com, is one of our front-line sources for real information about this whole situation.

The public outcry was so great this past week that Android Central forums and XDA were locking threads over it (as I was told, apologies if in any inaccurate) and after that the traffic flood brought AndroidForums.com to a crawl (and we have nearly a million register members) when people turned to us.

Do people on DWLs (device waiting lists) have cause for complaint?

Personally, I think so. This is the fallout from a patent system that allowed a patent on the "bread freshing system" for making toast at high temperature - and allowed a patent application that Apple made in 1996 to be granted in 1999 after the patent standards changed in the dot com day to allow nonsense patents to be granted defying common sense (speaking as a hardware and software patent holder before that nonsense and intimately familiar with the old and new processes and standards).

HTC set resonable expections for inspection based on a long history of import/export experience in the face of an insane court ruling. Customs set reasonable expectations based on their backlog and knowledge base (these guys catch druggies and do us well, ok?) and Sprint set reasonable expectations based on what they knew as the end-point in the supply chain and having seen most everything already.

And based on that, consumers set reasonable expectations for their phone deliveries.

So - do consumers have reasonable cause for complaint?

I think so.

But where do the complaints go?

Sprint? I think they were following what they were told to expect.

HTC? I think they were following reasonable expectations - they had the patent-violating fix in updates and on other phones already.

Customs? I think they have bigger fish to fry than a phone.

Apple? I say yes. While others say it's not their fault for exploiting a broken patent system and we ought blame the government (and by extension - us voters), I will always blame the party that does wrong morally with a legal loophole that removes morality.

That all said - I am often wrong, and I don't mean that in any pithy or cute way. All of that is simply my opinion of where we all stand and what I think of who's to blame.

If it helps any, I don't have my phone yet and I simply tell myself that as long as it's before June 10th, maybe it's all good.

It's not much, but it is what it is.

That was my understanding, too, third party apps are no help. Pretty sure I've read that this is an ICS "feature," not a Sense 4 limitation.

Correct. I had a friend check on stock ICS (not rooted) on a Nexus - tying notification and ring volumes is an ICS thing.

On the Nexus, a custom rom saved the day on that.

Dumb feature move.

 

 

Thanks a lot for this, finally some actual confirmation and not all this he say she say BS. This made my day, now its time for this phone to hurry up and get released.

AGREED!

I just heard about this today and came by to post a retraction - I thought sure it couldn't do it, but I was wrong!

Ace job getting the SVDO word out, Sarge!

Remember to always put a one within the exclamation marks to indicate maximum excitement.

I think sense camera app allows you to select the internal storage(fake sdcard) or external storage(real sdcard).

Cool, thanks!

In that case, the fastest card affordable makes the most sense in my opinion.

Not only to allow for updates to the bit rate for the camera app, but also to decrease time required to offload the videos to a PC via USB.

I would guess that unless you can direct the camera app to spool video to the sd card instead of the internal /sdcard partition of on-board storage then it won't matter. Do we know if it can do that??

Class will only matter for file transfer times if we can't.

 

 

Yeah the Rezound was completely different b/c without the MDM it couldn't have LTE...Just seems like a hasty decision to rush a quad to market imho if doing it this way...oh well....

Quads have mindshare now. People see the S4 vs the Tegra 3 and insist that the Tegra 3 has to be better because everyone just knows that 4>2.

Add in the Exynos 4412 in SGS3 causing bedwetting of tidal proportions because - Samsung! and Exynos quad! along with OMGZ!! PWNIES!!!1! and I don't think that LG had much choice from a marketing perspective.

My hat's off to them for the 2 GB of ram but that immediately got them a boatload of ridicule in the blogosphere.

Genius move though.

Not a new approach for LG at all -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Nitro_HD

That one used the APQ8060 and a separate Qualcomm modem chip. So, they don't have to add a chip so much as change out the ones they already use.

I could see the point of the approach in the HTC Rezound, because at that time, the MSM8660 didn't have an LTE modem. For whatever reason, LG saw fit to use the application processor version of the S3 in their phone.

Unless it's about time to market, and I suspect that it is because the S4 Pro doesn’t go to samples until later this year and nothing on the roadmap now for a quad version of that, using two chips to get to quad + LTE is senseless.

We can only hope that this approach won't be the next Nexus. That said, I still maintain that the LTEvo not having 2 GB of ram is a serious mistake. Oh well though.

Anyway, perhaps this new one won't be the laggy power pig that the Nitro HD was.

I have written a detailed response after talking with the source, who has agreed to for me to release some documents. http://s4gru.com/ind...on-as-may-15th/

 

Whoa - good stuff! Many thanks!

It looks to me like they pulled the trigger on the 18th with the LTE Connectivity issue still out there. Probably an OTA will be coming out soon. It may even prompt us to do the OTA at activation.

 

Could you shed some light on that?

I recall the article about the June 10 release said that the issue was an undefined process concerning provisioning - at least that was my takeaway.

That would indicate to me that that was having was related to activating the service properly itself (many, me too, have had the provisioning error where you could voice only but no data services until you called and they fiddled around with their computers - I related it to that).

Am I mixed all up (again)?

OK.

Let's set aside the 40% and which carrier pays what.

Strike it from your mind that I posted it.

The rest of the numbers stand on their own merits, and don't need phone arena as a source.

My speculation stands on those same merits.

Simply, I submit the real story here isn't being told.

Guess other countries have their deals, too.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/03/09/chinas-verizon-gets-the-iphone/

BTW, this is interesting -

http://247wallst.com/2011/01/08/verizon-gets-the-apple-iphone/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703735804575536191649347572.html

http://www.cultofmac.com/120848/att-blaming-apple-for-iphone-4s-upgrade-pricing-that-screws-loyal-iphone-customers/

Anyway, maybe Sprint was wrangling against this -

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple-may-be-planning-to-ditch-carriers-and-offer-its-own-wireless-service_id29654

Still looking for the ATT contract screwing articles. Google search isn't always my friend, but I used to discuss it elsewhere, so my memory and certainty that a fossil record to back up my claims is clear.

Well, we do know that the original ATT contract was beautifully draconian. ATT thought that they put one over on Jobs, only to find out what the music industry did - the guy was sharp and had good business sense. In the end, Apple came out ahead. I believe, and will have to go back for references, that Verizon got a better deal when ATT's exclusivity expired.

From that history, I don't doubt that each Apple contract with carriers is unique.

And I think that the 40% claim only applies to the US market. I don't know that foreign carriers ever get involved in subsidies.

No argument on the $15.5 billion, note in my earlier post I referred to that as a commitment. And commitments like that count when a company seeks big financing.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sprint-has-to-pay-Apple-15.5-billion-for-the-iPhone-says-it-needs-7-billion_id23294

Sorry, meant to put that in earlier.

Here's for the subscriber figure -

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sprint-losses-mount-carrier-sold-1.5-million-iPhones-this-quarter_id29458

Hmmmm.

$15.5 billion commitment, expected to return $7 billion over 4 years, immediately forced Sprint to seek $7 billion in financing, Sprint pays 40% higher subsidy to Apple than other carriers, loses stock value immediately, and since the deal went down, has added 1.1 million new subscribers.

And I doubt that last figure.

And what's the NV investment? Huh. Just happens to be about $7 billion.

See any coincidences that add up? See any that don't?

I have no clue what's up here, but it's obvious to me that something is going down and no one has connected the dots yet.

At face value the entire deal is irrational, and whatever you think of Hesse, he's not irrational.

What's this really about? Whose back is really getting scratched? Because someone's is.

And giving up this chunk of change has to be a distraction. We're looking at the wrong thing. I don't know what the right thing is - yet - but there's something rotten somewhere.

The iPhone deal is tied to NV financing. We're not supposed to be looking at that.

This whole story is so out there that it's not even capable of rising up wrong.

 

 

I am not worried one bit, s-off will be accomplished soon enough.

I think you're right.

Oh. Well, thank you. I never assume that people will remember me.

Yep. I love Sense. But I am just as worried about not getting s-off for the LTEvo.

Oh well. Sammy wins on this account.

For now. (too soon for a mwah ha ha?)

I stand corrected.

The Sammy approach leaves the ARM Cortex page behind and varies like the S4 - asynchronous cpu clocks and independent voltages. Very out of the box for an ARM.

I do wonder at their choice of the A9 right now. Maybe they think it's enough? Maybe they want those new technologies (for them) down first before tackling the A15?

Interesting times indeed.

 

 

Well if the cores were Cortex-A15 then you'd of seen a pure stomping of the S4....but given the SGS3 having A9's the S4 can make up for some room with the core disadvantage it has

Respectfully, the urban myth of the A15 killing the Krait - that's not terribly accurate at all.

In fact, it's rather inaccurate.