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Nice except that was 28 Ghz not 30-60 and it was point to mobile point, not point multi-point. And that video also is 2 years old. About the same time they promised to put 802.11AD into the S6 and beyond. How did that turn out?

Please provide proof these companies had committed to such trials.... I don't mean some random blurb about how it might be possible but, a proof of concept test result. Pictures, video, not papers about how it "could" be done.....

And Everyone else told you at least 10 years and you insisted on arguing. Even though 5G isn't even defined and won't be for at least 5 years. You kept bringing up WiGig a Defunct Group and 802.11AD which is not been produced in any mass device as of yet despite announcements from from heavy weights like Samsung, Panasonic, and TP-link. None of these companies have met release date of the technology some by years. Don't you think that sound very much like these heavy weights are having problems with even the small devices they are trying to develop? The deadline is 2019 for proof of concept and 2020 for technical specs. That means someone would have to already have a workable plan to get it into the specs in time for 5G. Yet here we are not even a small router to cover a small room has been successfully built and produced to market in 9 years. The most life we have seen in any use of such technology is for Wireless USB and Wireless HDMI. And 3gpp has said it will only entertain the idea of anything above 6 Ghz, they haven't even committed to hearing about technology above that frequency. If they are on the fence about 6 Ghz how do you think they feel about 30-60 Ghz?

You keep pointing at 5G as if that was next week or something. IMT 2020 gives until October of 2020 for submission of candidate technology. This means at least 2022 for final standards. With prototypes maybe around 2023. Full production of equipment in 2024 and maybe initial rollouts starting in 2025. You're talking 2027 or 2028 for anyone to have a large footprint of 5G. http://www.3gpp.org/news-events/3gpp-news/1674-timeline_5g Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk

He doesn't get it. He doesn't understand hype vs reality. If I bought into hype then my S7 should have 60Ghz already, they promised back in 2014 that all of their products would be 802.11ad 60Ghz by 2015. I give up on him. You and I and everyone else knows it isn't going to happen anytime soon. However, at 19 he just doesn't have the experience to understand why we are seeing these papers and why the hype. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk

It won't even work for that. Again get to far and the signal will degrade. Surrounded by people it would be unusable. Point to point links for short distance, maybe, but fiber prices are low enough to really make that pointless. Ad may very well just be doomed to be an interface similar to Bluetooth. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk

One problem ac peaks at 5.3 Gbps which is far beyond what is needed for say 8k 3D content. Ac peak is far above what most users will need for some time. In home streaming is beyond most users. I have thousands of movies and TV shows to stream in upto 6 locations in the home. I have probably one of the most sophisticated sets you can imagine. Mythtv with kodi frontends locations include 3 bedrooms with 1080p, office at 1080p, livingroom at 4k, and a theater with 3d projection. Also an emby deployment to allow streaming to my devices over the Internet. With all of this I have yet to max out a gigabit network. I highly doubt the average user is going to max out an ac router. However a wireless connection on ad will give them no better connection out of the room the router is in and will give flaky and unreliable connections. The average user is not going to understand the limitations of such a device and will misunderstand how it could benefit them. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk

Papers are great. I have paper from the 1970s on digital audio players. Papers are just that. You have to get to an actual product. That is simply just a lot harder than you understand. There just is no foreseeable future is those frequencies for cell phone use. This may change but for right now it makes no sense to even entertain the concept. No one has perfected any device for home use yet, let alone high availability services. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk

Then what you want is 2.5 ghz micro cell deployment. Because as I stated before the data link would be unreliable at the frequency you are talking about and would increase overhead thus decreasing the actual throughput and as you move further from the cell you get the worse it would become. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk

And despite a release date of April they haven't shipped a single unit..... Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk

Because no one has built one yet. No one has setup and tested LTE at that frequency. Because you have debug the problems. You're talking about 3 years right there. Then you're into prototyping and fixing any problems that arise there. Then you have to go into production and field testing. That would all ad upto about another 3 years. Then you have to sell people on it and start contracts so you have the money to ramp up production. At least a year and a half. And at each turn updates to the protocols need to be tested. Then you need to start actual deployment. No network has even fully converted to LTE after 5 years. Since most fiber is only 10 Gbps at this point massive over haul of fiber across the country would need to be completed to support the backhauls needed to support what would have to be cells numbering into the millons per carrier. Even if the companies would spend that kind of cash needed to do it, we don't have the labor force to do it. And what would be the point? 4k streaming runs just fine on 60 Mbps. What exactly are you doing that you need more than 300 Mbps that 3CA will peak at? Data is exploding, yes, but that is going not going to continue and certainly not for cellphones. 8k is going to be about the peak for video streaming and vr is not going to require anymore than 8k. VR and 8k both will work just fine at 150 Mbps. I run what is essentially a small Datacenter on a 100 Mbps line in my home. There simply isn't anything that a cell phone is going to do in the next few years that is going to max out current round upgrades. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk

Even if we could build the technology 10 years it would require another 5 to deploy and that's if production could be ramped up to handle it (unlikely). So you're looking at more like 20 years from now. Not in 5g. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk

Ok buddy. Come back here when you're 30 and reread your posts. The human brain doesn't mature until about 25. Second we didn't go from 500k to where we are now in 6 years. Cellular moved from analog to digtal voice technology then simply upped the data channel. LTE is the very first data optimized cell protocol GSM, CDMA, EVDO and HSPA all were optimized for voice. LTE shares much more in common with WIMAX than any other technologies and that goes back to a lab at intel in 1996. It took 20 years not 6. It took 6 to adapt the networks to the technology that was already there. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk

You still don't get it. Indoor or outdoor is irrelevant the distance wouldn't be far enough to make it useful. You would need to run fiber to every light poll and strap a micro cell to every light poll. Not exactly practical. Your young and obviously inexperienced in networking and I am really trying not to sound like a jerk hear but, I have almost as many years in technology as you have been alive. What you are talking about isn't going to happen for many years and certainly isn't going to happen during the next cycle of upgrades..... It isn't an opinion it is a fact. And I am done. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk

Um so you expect them to put a micro cell in every room of your house and office. Maybe on evey light poll... Just accept that it isn't going happen. The higher the frequency the less penetration. It also mean the more fragile the data link. At the frequency you are talking about you would start losing speed at about ten feet and it would be unusable at less then 200 feet. You would have to boost with more power. See the problem. You may see these frequencies at some point, it won't be in 5g. You would nees to rip and replace nearly every piece of equipment in every network to even begin to support those frequencies. The power requirements and backhauls would all need to be upgraded. 5g hasn't been defined and we still haven't actually met 4g standards yet. WiGig is a fringe technology 7 years after conception. And on a side note any mobile technology will have to be national to be feasible. 60 percent of the population lives on cities of less than 100,000 and 40 percent live in cities of less than 50,000. This is the biggest reason why Verizon and AT&T have held onto their leads. Most of the people don't want to live in the center of a metro hence suburbs. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk

Exactly the problem. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk

WiGig has been stalled for some time and hasn't shown much signs of life. WiGig is probably going to be used primary for near communications. I think the Wikipedia entry sums the problem up very well "The 60 GHz signal cannot typically penetrate walls but can propagate off reflections from walls, ceilings, floors and objects using beamforming built into the WiGig system. When roaming away from the main room the protocol can switch to make use of the other lower bands at a much lower rate, both of which can propagate through walls." We are seeing it already with WiGig being used for Wireless USB and Wireless HDMI. I honestly don't see it becoming a main stream for networking. If you need 7 Gbps of transfer you probably are going to wire what ever it is. We have to start to get honest here, the average user can't tell the difference between 10 Mbps and 100 Mbps. The talk of "5G" is just hype at this point and using 39 Ghz on mobile networks is such a pipe dream at this point it isn't even funny. And when you see someone say we are "Testing" in a lab that in no way means they have had any success with it. The reason for even releasing such information is purely marketing. The average user thinks "More GHZ must be better" so they play on that.

At least you didn't get hurt.

It is an error. Robert already checked it out.

It will be nice once midco finshes up I will have the choice of 2 different gigabit providers. Between midco and paul bunyan communications nearly all of northern Minnesota will have gigabit. Love it.

I am sure Robert can appreciate this. https://www.midcocomm.com/midcogig/

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Seeing the same thing here in bemidji. Oddly here one tower went live with lte but only on b26.

Here is the setup I have and it works really smooth. Two HD Homerun Prime(6 Tuners total) run into a server running Ubuntu setup with MythTV. The Media server runs 2 3TB internal drives, and an External 3TB drive. All Movies are on one, all TV shows are on another and Music and DVR on the other. Shares are set for all drives. Then for front ends all four run OpenElec. For the front ends you can use something like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856107141 just drop in a Hard drive or SSD a few gigs of memory and install OpenElec and your good to go. If you really want to make things fun, install XBMC on your phone and setup a VPN between your phone and router and you can even watch your files and tv from your phone anywhere you can get a good wifi connection.