koiulpoi

I have called four stores in my area all of them pushed me into the new plans and didn't give me the option for the old ones even when i threaten to walk. You can not get them online. If they are that hard to get for an informed consumer they not avalible to the average one for all intents and purposes.

Changing your opinion, are you? First you said they're not available at all, now they're "for all intents and purposes" not available - which is false. They are available. Like I already said store employees have been told to push the new plans. The plans aren't going away. They are available if you ask, much like EPRP.

Of course Sprint is going to lead with the most expensive offer, to get as many consumers on it at once. Why wouldn't they?

Hesse can spin this how he wants, but bottom line is if SoftBank had a problem with these new plans they wouldn't have happened. If you think it still could have happened with out SoftBanks approval then you should spend sometime learning how coroprate governance works. But hey everything that companies tell their employees in 100 percent true and not self serving at all, right.

You failed to read the original quote I posted. 

Mr. Hesse said the changes were "created and initiated" by Sprint and not by SoftBank, although the new parent company was aware of the plan.

Of course it had Softbank's approval. But the plans were

"created and initiated" by Sprint and not by SoftBank

You calling Hesse a liar (and by extension, questioning the journalistic integrity of the WSJ) isn't doing anything for your position, as you have continually failed to provide any evidence to the contrary. All you keep doing is talking about corporate culture. If you have a quote, a fact, a statistic, a source, anything that provides evidence against what I've been saying, I'm willing to hear it.

When discussing things like this, we must deal with facts and not wild baseless speculation. My posts have the former. Yours thus far haven't gotten very far out of the latter.

Call a sprint store tell them you are new and see what they say (I did it with four) or better try to sign up for the old plans online as a new customer.

Sure, let me just turn to my manager and ask him if the old plans are still available.

Well, what do you know, they are. Yes, we're supposed to push the new plans first for new customers. No, they are not required.

SoftBank has final say, if they thought this was a bad idea or hindered their plans it would not have gone forward. Hesse is being a bit self serving by saying the clear closer was the reason. It fits niecely with sprints contention that the unlimited garrentee is a value proposition (i dont think it is as sprint would be the only carrier to force people off unlimited. in affect all other carriers have an unlimited garantee by the way they have acted) while allowing them to ignore that this is indeed a price hike. In other words coroprate propaganda. Buy it if you want to buy it, but I will not. Action speak louder than words. This is softbank's first move, hopefully they can provide some really value to justify the price rise (like a network that is better than Verizon or AT&T) or I think this investment of theirs will fail.

Wait, what? I literally just gave you quotes from Hesse himself, as quoted in the Wall Street Journal, posting evidence against what you said. Instead of countering with your own evidence, you write it off and ignore it, for the sole reason that it disagrees with you - and then just repeat the same thing you already said.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your opinions.

(as an aside, Sprint isn't forcing anyone off Unlimited. Sprint isn't forcing anyone off anything right now. No other carrier ever guaranteed unlimited "for life". The reason for the "Unlimited Guarantee" is that consumers have lived through VZW and ATT destroy unlimited and force them off - it gives Sprint an even stronger market position by saying "come to us and you can have it forever".)

I'm fully aware of my local stores ability to lie as I've had to deal with them over the years and do not go to them with any problems.

Commissioned sales people. 

Setting up the old plans is the same as always and there are no system restrictions on them. No manager approval required. No incentive to push the new ones, other than Sprint saying "push the new ones".

I couldn't disagree more. I don't think sprint launches a whole new set of plans, ditching the old ones (for new customers) a few days after the deal closes with out softbank's approval. Sprint and SoftBank have been working closely since the deal was accepted by sprint's board (at least according to sprint and SoftBank). This can and should be seen as softbank's first move and it is not impressive.

You can disagree all you want, but...

1) This isn't Softbank's "First Move".

Mr. Hesse said the changes were "created and initiated" by Sprint and not by SoftBank, although the new parent company was aware of the plan.

source: http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20130711-709190.html

2) The reasoning was closing the Clearwire deal, not Softbank.

Mr. Hesse said the timing of the changes isn't coincidental, as Sprint needed to close the Clearwire deal in order to ensure it could provide unlimited data for the long-term. Clearwire controls large amounts of wireless airwaves that Sprint intends to use for a network expansion.

 

"We really needed to make sure that we had the spectrum capacity," Mr. Hesse said.

source: same article

3) The "old" plans have NOT been "ditched". The new plans are NOT mandatory. New customers can still sign up for the "old" plans, without restriction.

I am less optimistic about this merger now than I was a week ago. the new plans tell me that they don't get what it is going to take to grow market share in the US. hopefully I am wrong.

Softbank had little to nothing to do with these plans. Sprint's had them cooking for a while, while Softbank was "aware" of them. As these plans aren't required, and have things like "The Unlimited Guarantee" slapped on, and being largely made so that customers can compare ATT/VZW plans side-by-side, Softbank still has plenty of room to maneuver ways to be competitive - and if they so choose, undercut the Big Two, whether that be new plans or otherwise.

Hooooly crap, people.

Seriously. SERIOUSLY.

Here's what we know.

• There are new plans.
• The new plans are NOT required.
• The new plans are NOT being forced on anyone.
• You can keep your current plan when upgrading.
• You can still sign up for the Everything Data plans as a new customer.
• There has been no announcement nor evidence of the Everything plans going away.
• There has been no announcement nor evidence of forced plan migrations.

Anything contrary to this, without real evidence, is frankly "the sky is falling" knee-jerk alarmism.

CALM DOWN.

Please?

(As an aside, yes, store reps have been told to push the new plans for new customers first. As there's no real incentive to do so, any rep is likely to continue offering the old plans, as they'd rather make the sale.)

My anecdotal personal experience was that the vast majority of Nextel subscribers, in the year leading up to the iDEN shutdown, did not use any DC at all, or used it to fewer than 5 contacts. A large percentage of those we moved over went to smartphones without SDC, and many who ended up on the Dura-line or an Admiral never bothered. "Nobody uses it anymore", I got told dozens of times. Some came back later, regretting trying SDC. Not because of performance or coverage issues, but because things like SMS and email have done away with the need for PTT.

While large corporate/business accounts may be different, I don't think VZW's lack of a powerhouse PTT solution, nor ATT's PTT push did much to effect Nextel customer migrations.

Again, anecdotal, but many of those I heard of leaving, went to VZW because "the coverage is better". ATT's reputation here in West Michigan seems kinda... terrible. I actually had a situation where a customer threatened to leave for ATT, and a different customer told him "That's a mistake."

Which is where the outsourced thing comes in....they dont get free sprint service.

I work at a preferred retailer. My bill is $43.00 each month, and that's with TEPMAX, which I believe is the normal plan for all 3rd-party employees. $20/month base. So, yes, unless I was in contract with a ridiculous family plan, I'd switch over, as the savings are going to add up fast, and I'd no longer be giving money to Big Red/The Death Star. 

People just don't do the math on ETFs, it seems. $350 over 24 months is ~$14.58 a month. If you can save at least that much, it's worth it to switch immediately, especially if you can resell your device at a profit. Instead, people see a big chunk of money they don't have, and just keep paying...

Do I have to go through the whole iPhone setup again if I do that? Last time apple wiped my phone it didn't activate right and I got the "could not activate cellular data network" for two days till I did a restore so I'm petrified of doing anything like that again lol

If that happens in the future:

Connect to WiFi

Open the Dialpad.

Enter "##873283#"

#" (it spells ##UPDATE#)

Hit Call

It should say "Starting Service Update"

Wait for "Service Update Complete"

Done! You have a data connection again!

I had the same issue a few months ago when I was traveling through Chicago - I then called Sprint and after speaking with three different reps I finally figured out that they had the wrong SIM id attached to my account (my old 4s was still on my account). Once they plugged in my iPhone 5 SIM number it worked perfectly, could be the same issue you're facing.

This is actually what I was going to recommend checking. If the UICC (SIM) doesn't match up, oftentimes 1X/3G will provision properly, but LTE will not. This is generally something that can only be fixed over the phone or in a store.

I'd also recommend, as was already mentioned, doing a "Reset Network Settings". It's a rather harmless update.

If none of that fixes it, you might just have a defective device and will need it replaced.

Hm. I always wonder about claims of Apple giving out phones new-in-box for warranty claims. If you box and shrinkwrap a reconditioned device, it'll definitely look new...

Everyone I've seen with an @sprint.com email address has an "advocate device" and is given one for free. It was the LG Optimus G, now the Samsung Galaxy S4.

For store reps, I've seen a few with other carriers, usually because of being in-contract on a family plan.

See if Google Voice will port it. It'll cost you $20, but then you can port it back out. Worth a shot, I suppose.

Reminds you of other sites no?

Not at all. I haven't read any other Sprint forums.

To paraphrase Rob, anyone who gives AT&T money is a colossal fool, or seriously uninformed.

So with EIP, they come out equal?

For Unlimited Data and Device Financing on T-Mobile, yes, you need to add a maximum of $20/month/device. 

How do you mean 20*5+30*5=250 sprint

Tmobile 50+30+10*3+20*5=210 apples to apples

Sprint's pricing doesn't work like that.

Line 1 is $50, +$30 for Unlimited Data.

Line 2 is $40, +$30 for Unlimited Data.

Line 3 is $30, +$30 for Unlimited Data.

Line 4 and 5 are $20 each ($40), +$30 each (+$60) for Unlimited Data.

That's a total of $310. So $100 more than T-Mobile's plan.

On the plus side, you can go all the way up to 10 lines for that $50 each...

The only thing about the plans that I'll need clarification on is how discounts work. It appears that they only apply to the data section of the plan at all. There's an example provided that shows the total discount coming off ONLY the $30 data charge per line, and nothing off the rest of the MRC. And this is for "Unlimited, My Way". Unless this is in error, or confusing...

 And don't think Sprint cares that you've been a customer for 1,2,5,10,20 years. It's business.

Don't think you know Sprint policy. Long-term customers are treated better by customer care, and more concessions are given, compared to short-term, ASL -class (low credit) customers. There are even automated account notes on some old accounts to treat them as such. Is it a huge thing? Perhaps, perhaps not; it depends entirely on whom you're talking to. But it is a real thing.

Unless, of course, you're referring to the corporate entity "Sprint", at which case, of course not. Things that are not people cannot have cares and feelings.

(since nearly every other detail has been leaked...) Email I got this morning said the plans launch 7/12.

The current plans aren't going away, and there have been no announcements of any kind to that matter.

If you ask me, these plans are there so that they have a VZW-aike plan, so that people coming from other carriers can easily compare side-by-side. 

Lastly, while I'm not a mod, I definitely find it disturbing the amount of near-rant angry behavior in this thread. Sure, I understand anger over price increases (even though these aren't official yet, aren't mandatory, etc.), but some posts have had a serious "world is ending, bail Sprint now!!!!11" tone to them...

Thank you! I also see that it has Adreno 320 GPU. How good of a GPU is this? Is it powerful enough that it could technically render an xbox360 equivalent game? (seeing how the xbox360 is many years old)

I honestly don't know, and I don't think there's ever been produced a multi-platform multi-architecture graphics benchmark, other than something like es2mark or glxgears.

I think part of the reason is, no matter how powerful, mobile devices (due to being embedded and low-power) are always going to have lower performance than something that can be plugged in to the wall.

Quad-Core 1.9 GHz Snapdragon 600.

 

 

Enough about rims already, I'm at my job...

 

 

You do realize that, with the juxtaposition of "rim" and "job," you are just setting yourself up for more bawdy banter.

 

 

AJ

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::: Rimshot :::

Enough about rims already, I'm at my job...

Paynefanbro, I was teasing you a little bit with those previous posts, but I am trying to make a serious point.

 

We need to be consistent with, for example, 20 MHz x 20 MHz or 20 MHz FDD terminology.  Those two are acceptable.  But "2x20" just leads to potential ambiguity and confusion.

 

So, I am going to edit the title accordingly, also spelling out that "EE" refers to the Everything Everywhere partnership in the UK, as not everyone here is familiar with it.

 

AJ

Actually, this is good, as in my quick glancing (while at work  ) I read that as 2 MHz Up 20 MHz Down TD-LTE. Or something similar.

There's no objective measure of "quality" that Sprint can use to say "our quality is 9.1 on the Merchersmitt scale".

They should make such a scale.

For calls, you can objectively measure QoS through the rate of blocked and dropped calls, as well as other metrics like average signal quality of particular subs. For data, average data rate.