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Ah, I have a challenge for members. I would argue that two series of phones did more than any others to advance the cosmetic transition to internal antennas. Name both of them. Credit also given for other interesting answers.

 

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The Moto Razr is one of them for sure (i still have one). Maybe on of the PDA's from that period? I believe palm was making some stuff then as well along with a plethora of windows mobile devices..

The one near me got NV 3G completed but the speed are still the same but sometime I get good speed during the night and morning!! If 3G is completed does that mean that 4G must be competed but not on yet ?

That's typical for non upgraded backhaul. What that drop in speeds mean is that they've reconnected it to legacy T1 backhaul pending the installing of upgraded backhaul (fiber , MW, AAV). They cannot and will not light up LTE without having upgraded backhaul so it being 3g only and having slow speeds indicate that it's still on legacy backhaul.

looks amazing, I sincerely hope those kinds of speeds are obtainable in real-world, day-to-day use

Those speeds should be pretty much similar across the board throughout sprints upgraded network. The speed really depends on your reception and range from the tower but I doubt it'll go below the "average speed" that sprint posted up. Well... that is unless you only have a limited amount of spectrum to deploy LTE, use a blanket coverage rollout so one tower takes the load of several others, and all you sell are LTE only phones.

The upper Central Valley work has started? Nice!

 

It appears to me that Samsung is more conservative on how much they are doing at any given time, while AlcatelLucent is going "hog wild" and is now actively deploying in almost every market they will be doing work in.

 

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Southern Cali -- Not NorCal. Upper Central Valley hasn't started yet.

I would like to remind you two that you are violating the S4GRU posting rules regarding unwanted negativity on the forums.

The update is stating new cities that are going to be worked on relatively soon and all markets are to begin in 2013 no matter what. Feel free to donate and become a sponsor if you want to know more info about the roll outs but if you won't then don't complain here.

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Hahahaha of course not hahaha. Ok. Don't take literally, they are not avoiding anything. The true story is than for more than a year, since Wimax, we are paying the $10.00 charge for a speedy service and get nothing. Can you imagine a class action of all Puerto Rico Sprint customers to claim the the $10.00 charge money back. Its possible. If I'am a lawyer I want that case, is not frivolous. They can charge you for the reason they want, but not for offering a service that is unavailable, is against the consumer protection rules. But I respect your opinion on this.

 

Sorry for been out of the topic. Im able to get LTE again for a while in my wife iPhone 5 and she get 1.7 mb down. Now she is on EXTENDED AREA hahaha. A question for you my friend pyroscott. Extended area is equal to roaming?

The $10 fee is and was never ever a "4g" fee but a smartphone fee. You are not paying to use 4g or faster internet. You are paying the $10 to use a smartphone on sprints network.

Does anybody know --- Can the old Nextel Cell sites be made to NOT broadcast IDEN on the part of the 800 band that is going to be used for CDMA 1X voice??? Can the remaining NEXTEL holdouts be confined to just a small portion of the 800 band??

How did they manage to tun up 800 meg CDMA voice in Chicago?

They accelerated the shut down of iDen in that market and repurposed the frequency since they absolutely needed it in that market because it is (was) very limited in spectrum and had a huge problem with dropped calls etc. Other markets are still slowly shutting down iDen but till there is a significant portion of it shut down, they will not deploy anything on the 800.

For showing EvEn wow with the speed tests.

 

 

 

 

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Yep looks like NV upgraded fiber/ mw / aav backhaul speeds. T1 bandaid fixes don't go that high nor give that kind of ping. Check your local towers out!

Actually, He should continue to experience service throughout NV with minimal problems. They don't immediately take down the legacy equipment when they install NV. Otherwise, if there were a problem then it would become a dead spot. Also the drop calls and other issues are only applicable to markets that have Motorola legacy sites. Although am not sure if Baltimore was done by Motorola or not.

Baltimore is an Lucent market being serviced by Alcatel-Lucent. Service interuptions are basically in all active NV markets be it Alca-lu, Sammy, or Eric. Just part of the growing pains.

Just reminding you guys that some of us are in markets that have not even been announced or have any work being done yet. So just be glad something is going on in your market...

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Thanks for stopping by and asking the question instead of going off ranting on how sprint is inferior and sucking.

Anyways to answer your question...

1. Legacy areas (areas without network vision upgrades) tend to have extremely poor data speeds due to towers being overloaded because of insufficient backhaul. Legacy towers had backhaul utilizing T1 1.5mb lines which cannot provide the bandwidth that the modern consumers in this age of smartphones take up.

2. Read up on these stickies.

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http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/2120-listing-of-legacy-vendorsnetwork-vision-vendors-by-market/

-- Basically, Baltimore is undergoing active network vision upgrades as of right now. There are actually a lot of upgraded towers (according to sponsor maps that show towers that have been upgraded) in the market and I would safely say that it's at least 20-30% done as of right now. Also, our weekly updates (thanks to s4gru [robert] and his sources) show that baltimore has been getting a steady stream of completed towers. I would garner and say that the market will be mostly completed (~75%) by the beginning of Springtime and finishing up to 90% by summer time.

-- During NV upgrades, you tend to get a lot of drop calls tend to hand off issues between old and new sites that result in dropped calls. You also get no signal because workers may be removing old hardware from a tower and installing new hardware (NV upgrades -- new RRU's / backhaul / etc). It's annoying but bearable and well worth it according to the people that had NV upgrades in their area.

3. Network Vision is sprints multi-year LTE / network overhaul plan. It's replacing every single tower they have, decomissioning Nextels old iDen towers and rebranding its low 800mhz frequency. Right now, Sprint is about finishing its first year of NV 1.0 which is replacing old hardware with new modern stuff. Initial LTE frequency will be 1900mhz while NV 2.0 will utilize the frequency from iDens shutdown which is 800mhz. This low frequency will be highly comparable to Verizons and ATTs in terms of coverage and penetration. Then there is the Clearwire (just bought out by sprint) 2.5/2.6ghz spectrum which is very extensive and is continuous throughout the nation. In a 20+20 configuration, Clearwires 2.5/2.6 can output about 100 mbps and will be used as a hot spot in major metropolitan or high demand areas.

-- Sprints FD-LTE 1900 / 800 = 5x5 configuration -- theoretical max 37.5 mbps.

-- Cleawires TDD-LTE 2.5/2.6ghz = 20+20 -- theoretical max of about 100 mbps.

-- Basically sprints plan is, LTE 2.5/2.6ghz for very high demand areas where there's a lot of people. The high frequency allows insane data transfer rates and will be invaluable when a lot of people are in one spot. Then there is LTE 1900 which is being deployed right now. It achieves about the same coverage as Sprints current 3g footprint and most people will be using this. Further on will be LTE 800 which is similar to Verizons and ATTS 700/ 850 frequency and will have about the same penetration and coverage characteristics. Where you don't get 3g, you'll probably get LTE 800.

Basically. For your market, go for it. It is actively being worked on right now with upgraded towers coming online every week. It can only go better from now on for you and LTE will not get bogged down anytime soon compared to Verizons.

So we have these reports of LTE lighting up spradically in the fringes, but why not in the Minneapolis core? Any ideas? Also, given this present activity, any idea when the entire Twin Cities market is likely to go live?

 

I am considering an upgrade of my HTC Evo 4G, to perhaps a Samsung Galaxy S III. But, like many others, do not want to be paying for services I am not receiving. OTOH, my family is pestering me for upgrades for Christmas - so is it likely to be worth my while, or is it best to wait a bit longer?

Easy answer -- Backhaul has not been upgraded and or local / city / state permits have not been issued.

Also,usually the "fringe" areas are in small towns where there's little bureaucratic mess to deal with so backhaul and permitting is much easier. Not to mention that most "fringe" areas are along highways or interstates.

I think I remember hearing that Huawai is one of Clearwire's LTE vendors.

 

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I do too but I recall them also saying it's a tiny percentage because of the outrage about possible Chinese espionage against our telecom infrastructure. But this should be irrelevant in the grand scheme of things because there's only so much corporations that do major telecom work and most US telecoms use the same vendors...

I'd say it'll be managed under New Sprints contractors. Unification of resources and plans = the purpose of the buyout.

So what happens to Clearwire's LTE build-out/Network Vendors?

Probably gets deployed with NV 2.0. I believe clearwires vendors are the same as Sprints.

Midway through December, very quite in this section of Southern California.

 

I thought we would at least be seeing a little bit of news by now. Probably shouldn't have renewed with the Galaxy Nexus but I had hoped LTE would have been running in my area by now. I don't want to pay to cancel but...

 

60% of the time it works every time!

*Sprint HIGH Speed 3G/LTE Nexus*

You know you're borderline violating S4gru rules with your pessimism right?

 

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Anyways. As a sponsor,all I will tell you is there are NV upgrades in that market but nothing major yet compared to LA or SF markets. Work is highly likely to be on going but comparatively "slow" compared to your northern neighbors. Recent s4gru NV map updates have indicated that the OEMs are speeding up deployment in a lot of markets so it shant be long before you start seeing increased activity.

Though, you may see more updates up north as Alcatel-Lucent (Socal OEM) doesn't seem to be deploying as fast as Sammy is up north in the SF Bay area.

Will 800 SMR cdma be deployed in every market as LTE launches? Or is it dependent on remaining Nextel users.

It's part of Network Vision 2.0. Gotta boot off the remaining nextel users first...

They've already begun in some places where they've cleared enough spectrum or where they needed it but it's infrequent and unpredictable on where they'll turn on 800mhz cdma.

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one is on a bank i think i will go check it out tomorrow but how do i upload pictures on this site can i do that?? what have u heard about network vision for colorado so far??

Take a picture then upload it on a image hosting website like www.imgur.com then link the url of the picture.

Small rectangular ones are wimax.

Long ones are legacy 3g panels.

The very thin ones might be iden panels but i'm not sure.

I look at panels like these every day when i go back and forth on my college campus and. Not to mention.. that microwave receiver is what Clearwire uses.

NV Visión does?

EHRPD = software upgrade to allow seamless transfers between LTE and Evdo 3g.

Network Vision = replacing all legacy equipment + upgrading backhaul to fiber / mw / aav which does increase speed & coverage (teeny bit)

ehrpd is not an indication of LTE. In some markets, ehrpd was turned on months in advance before NV upgrades even began. All ehrpd is, is that of a software update to allow easy transitions between LTE and EVDO 3g. Absolutely nothing has changed until you get very high 3g speeds of 1.5-2.0+ DL / 1.0 UL all day, every day or LTE popping up. Old T1 backhaul to legacy towers slow down when there's a heavy load on the tower while Fiber / MW / AAV does not.

More you know!

Iphones 5 cannot map with sensory. Apple limitations.

The Nextel band is 800mhz. The iphone 5 does not support it at all.

Another possibility is the backhaul has not been completed yet. If possible, determine which tower you are connected to for LTE (possibly different from voice), and move closer to it. If your speed increases as you get closer that would mean the weak signal is causing the slow speeds. If your speeds stay the same, the backhaul has probably not been completed yet.

Incorrect. Backhaul has to be completed and in place before LTE is activated. Slow speeds are an indication of a weak signal or in other cases, heavy load on a sector/tower (as is happening to Verizon) but that is highly unlikely.at this stage or ever with sprints immense spectrum.

How is LTE deployment in Hayward, CA? How many sites are completed? Is sprint putting upgrading the backhaul too?

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