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Just in case anyone in this thread hasn't seen this:

 

https://www.sprint.com/landings/iphone-forever/index_p.html

Does this work with people on ED1500? Cause now I'm considering the 7

 

I don't see 4x4 UE as such a big deal if the network is already 4x2. It will not change the capacity of the site in question and therefor won't increase capacity to hard hit areas. In case anyone is interested the snapdragon 820 is limited to 6 spatial streams. Meaning 4x4 + 2x2 CA or 2x2 + 2x2 + 2x2 CA. It won't be 4x4 and full 3CA 20 Mhz at the same time.

None of Sprint's devices actively make use of the 4x2, which can double throughput.

Rural areas are low priority.

 

AJ

True. And just to be sure, no current phone (including iPhone 7) is 4x4 Mimo capable right?

Its tough to drop to 3G in NYC. you have to be deep indoors or in tunnels etc...

 

I travel throughout 4 boroughs and only used 2mb of 3G vs 29GB of LTE in a months time.

Mini macros are also vastly more expensive in terms of equipment and energy.

Sure, but if you use b41 for backhaul wouldn't you need dedicated antennas to beam the signal from one tower to the other? Or can you do that with the existing panels and not degrade the b41 signal that's being used for cell reception? The original tower that's providing the backhaul, whether it's microwave or b41, would need enough/faster backhaul to provide for multiple towers so the backhaul cost itself wouldn't be different between b41 or microwave would it?

You use the original Band 41 antennas that are used for regular users (hence UE Relay - user equipment). Generally speaking the back haul should be good so long as it's 1Gbps and scalable. So again, less expensive but at the cost of network performance for regular users.

AJ, what kind of signal is required to have a stable 256 QAM downlink connection?

One huge advantage that most people do not mention about Sprint is that the huge spectrum gives sprint the power to provide these small cells with wireless backhaul where as competitors most likely must use fiber. This translates to a lot less recurrent expense for Sprint. Am I correct?

Yes but it also affects quality of service. If the tower is burdened, the small cell is also burdened. It's ideal for more rural/suburban small cells, while Ethernet is superior for major city implementations. NYC small cells run off Ethernet.

Is that much of an advantage vs just using microwave?

https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/lte-advanced.htm

T-Mobile announces 4x4 MIMO, 256 QAM. Says the S7 and S7 Edge can use both after a software update.

The cell range is mostly limited by the uplink power of the phone. Once uplink fails, the phone cannot stay on B41 anymore. CA can't improve on this aspect since at this point it's downlink only, so there isn't a change in coverage from a sq. miles perspective.

 

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Isn't that just for FDD because of the fact it's two different swaths of spectrum?

 

Please show these to your engineer and ask him how.

 

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I'd argue though that while 4k is important to a degree, if its going to be in smartphones, it needs to have a battery good enough to handle it. My opinion is at least 5000mah for it.

We live in 2016, we don't just throw things at it. We make stuff more efficient.

3500-4000mAh on a 5.5-5.8 phone will be perfect for 4K.

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That pretty much ended the conversation.

Now it's time to talk about the limits on gaming.

/s let's NOT.

I use Tidal on HiFi with zero issues on Sprint.

I can't say much to that, Deval, because these HiFi streaming services are so few and aren't sold by the carriers directly, at least as of yet. I think as higher quality audio becomes more mainstreamed, it will become important to more people. I remember when audio quality wasn't really that big of a deal for me, then I heard music on the LG V10 and was instantly sold on better quality audio just through the 320kbps audio file at the time. With more smartphones having advanced dac/amp systems in place with people discovering that,, they will want better capability from their carrier.

 

I'd also argue with Sprint just having this limit alone. I can understand the video limit, as video streaming can take a big toll on networks, However, pushing a limit on audio doesn't make much sense, and as I've mentioned, I think Sprint will change this eventually, especially if they carry the LG V20.

Did anyone even buy the V10? I never see those things. I saw like 2 in the past year. Also, what makes you think Sprint will carry the V20? They could say it doesn't sell and not carry it. Furthermore, people don't really care about audio. If they did, Beats wouldn't sell like hot cakes.

any one know if GMO sites able to do 10x10 or even a 2nd carrier or does it all depend on the equipment?

How do I find the local regional manager for Minnesota(great plains area)? I fouind Luke langer, but he seems to be for sales.

What I did was I wrote an email directly to the CTO of Sprint, Guenther Ottendorfer, who sent it down the chain to another manager, who sent it to a bunch of managers, one of which who got back to me with information.

It's honestly amazing how fast Sprint has been with upgrades. Small cells left & right, I was even told that in 60 days GMO LTE should go live. What a time to have unlimited data.

Have you raised this with the Local Network people/management? Greg Post handles the Southwest Region. Here's his Twitter: https://twitter.com/gregpost11

 

If he doesn't respond, you could mention it to Guenther: https://twitter.com/guengott68

After my experience, everyone with issues should contact the local region's network management. Get some great results!

Based on that, if people sign up not knowing about these limits, and they have difficulty streaming HiFi audio that works over 1mbps, or they are gamers noticing the speed limits, they very likely will complain about it, as they likely aren't use to that wherever carrier they came from.

 

There seems to be a big misconception that HiFi audio streaming is a thing, so let's put that to bed.

ITS NOT.

Tidal has, what? 3 million subscribers? And at most, what 20% is subscribed to HiFi? And out of them, how many actually REALIZES there's a difference, or is even using proper equipment? Real audio people don't stream HiFi, they buy FLAC. I'm sure the 10 people on Sprint with Tidal HiFi aren't even on Unlimited Freedom, nor notice a difference.

Jealous of your contact, but be careful oversharing in the public forums.

He said he only shared with me what the legal department told him he could share. Not gonna disclose his name/title though out of courtesy.

Another highlight from the call - they're looking to get rid of 3G only sites (at least in NYC) by ramping up GMO LTE deployment.