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All Sprint devices that support 1x800 voice, also support EV-DO on 800. It's a built in design because of CDMA technology. However, Sprint is not planning to deploy EV-DO on 800, and I don't think they will reconsider anytime soon. LTE is the way everyone is going. EV-DO is heading the way of the dodo and CDMA 1x voice/data will eventually too.

 

 

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CDMA on sprint will be running till 2022 at least. I don't call that soon. And EVDO 800 on fast bsckhaul is more than enough capacity-wise for truly rural places once the roaming rates go up.

I dont see the need for that when we are trying to get away from evdo eventually and with us already having roaming agreements whenever its fired up would make it more likely to get oversubscribed and less speed with evdo with where smartphones are going.

It's only needed in areas where its too rural and expensive since EVDO pcs goes as far as 800 LTE so 800 EVDO should go really far so less sites and cheaper to maintain.

And 100MB roaming is not much.

I don't see where it would be real useful to set up a sight like that considering once your on Sprint past I think 14 days you can't join another existing Framily. Existing customers would have to post their numbers and hope people just coming to Sprint will find it and use their number.

Good point BUT once there's a critical mass of people, there would ALWAYS be people on the site within the 14 days.

Everyone in the framily can see last name, last 4 of phone number and framily ID. When people join or leave the framily a text is supposed to be automatically sent to the framily.

 

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As a sprint employee, could you please ask around what sprint'd do if people set up exchange websites?

The info that you posted doesn't completely scare me away from an exchange.

Maybe the website could be fancier ad have a middleman so your real last name wouldn't be revealed.

What about if ALL TV spectrum got turn into supplemental downlink and tv used LTE broadcast? Then TV stations could sell it in the future without ANOTHER rebanding.

Then interference would go away because you could put 5mhz LTE channels right next to each other right?

I seriously wonder if it'll be legal to setup websites where people go to join a framily with whoever. Which begs the question for all you people in framilies:

if you want to join a framily, what info will the holder of the framily see when you join one?

Of course sprint would be pissed if everyone did this cause then arpu would be $25 + extra data for EVERYONE.

It wasn't too long after the Unlimited My Way plan came out that the EPRP share plan was changed to Everything Plus Unlimited My Way. Anyone have any idea if there will be new EPRP plans in line with Framily plan?

 

What's eprp?

I've now heard from a sprint store guy, people on this site, and an article stating that in April this Year no more subsidies meaning only Framily plans.

I think OTA tv is an inefficient use of spectrum. Judge Judy, Maury, ricki lake reruns?

Each 6mhz channel can host 3 separate streams so you have fox, NBC, abc, wb, upn, PBS, CBS.

Reduce to 4x6mhz for TV and you can get 12 channels which is about how many I get on antenna. They won't be hd but access to hd is not a constitutional right.

Since 800mhz LTE only goes as far as pcs EVDO, would it make sense, in rural areas only, to add an EVDO carrier to SMR and reduce LTE to 3mhz FDD?

I wonder if apple has demanded an exception like if sprint still has to give the my way plans for people who want iphone?

Does the family plan also have the $10 dollar premium data charge we all pay or does it do away with that?

 

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No extra data charge.

I would prefer throttling

 

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Don't see how sprint will be competive with TMO cause 4 lines on TMO is $100 on sprint $160 and TMO will probably increase data from 500mv to 1gb to match sprint. And TMO has throttling not overages.

I think dish is gonna sell its 40mhz downlink and E block to ATT. And H block to Sprint. And be done terrorizing the wireless industry.

Also licensed band business radios are in that area too.

It also makes all these little urban gaps difficult to fill and indoor coverage almost impossible to handle at a fair cost with AWS spectrum.

 

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In the IBEZ, won't Sprint be in same position since it can't use ANY of 800mhz?

That's the only sub ghz it has

Or did sprint take this into account for its site spacing?

And I would like to see evidence that T-Mobile can sustain its cut rate offerings long term. Will investors be content for T-Mobile to be the way low ARPU operator?

 

AJ

TMO is more expensive than Sprint in some cases:

TMO unlimited + monthly smartphone = 50 + 20 + 20 = 90

Sprint (the same plan) = $80

TMO 500mb + monthly smartphone = 50 + 20

Sprint 1GB + subsidy = 70

On family plans, TMO is slightly cheaper:

TMO (500 mb data, smartphone payment)

2 - 80 + 2*20 = 120

3 - 90 + 3*20 = 150

4 - 100 + 4*20 = 180

Sprint (1GB data per line + subsidy):

2 - 70 + 60 = 130

3 - 70 + 60 + 50 = 180

4 - 70 + 60 + 50 + 40 = 220

(I know it's not the same amount of data but there's no sprint 500 mb or TMO 1GB. The point is these are the entry level plans)

Ok so for family plans, TMO is definitely significantly cheaper.

But to your point about the investors: what choice do they have? They know TMO's network cannot justify the prices to match sprint and they also know DT wants to sell and won't invest anymore.

So. . . . either the investors accept reality or sell their shares . . . preferably before DT's lockup period expires on Nov 1, 2014 aka the 18-month lockup. However, if DT can find a buyer for its entire stake, it can sell all at once.

Hmm . . . I know I'm rambling but here's a thought: Sprint - or Dish ????- could wait until the lockup period expires, at which point there'd be downward pressure on the stock from the 67% about to enter the market.

What I'm advocating won't happen right away. 600Mhz auction won't happen until 2015 and it will probably take until 2016 or 2017 before 600Mhz is ready to be used. By that time, VoLTE should be ready. 1xA will be immaterial by 2017-2018.

I'll do some prep: you think Sprint is gonna buy everyone a volte phone to replace 1xA? Sprint said its gonna keep CDMA until sometime very early 2020s.

No, but they might elect to sell some of their EBS licenses to the big two or Dish. They will have 800 MHz SMR, AWS, PCS and BRS/EBS spectrum. If they want to do some horse trading to keep their spectrum holdings at 4 bands they might want to trade their SMR holdings for 600MHz after the 600MHz auction.

Isnt 20 billion pretty cheap for 45 mil customers and their spectrum?

I do agree tmo knows down the road sprints network will be much improved and on par with the big2 and tmo will be looking to play catch up and that will cost $$$$$$

whats funny though is 20 billion... That alone is probably why sprint is moving forward.... 20 billion for 45 mil subs which will put you right where you wanna be.....

ATT was willing to pay $39 billion and that was before TMO upgraded 37k towers and before adding 9 mil metros.

$20bil is simply market cap, not what sprint would pay.

Sure ATT was willing to pay a huge premium to become sole gsm carrier but that doesn't mean that sprint will get away with not paying a premium to the stock price. The premium is standard in takeover bids.

How about a compromise: network sharing. All the cool carriers in Europe are doing it lol.

NV on steroids. Imagine the cost savings there! TMO's entire LTE footprint could be transferred to NV towers.

However, TMO just spent billions on new basestations and I don't think NSN and Ericsson accept returns but can't those run CDMA also? TMO could run CDMA on sprint's spectrum using TMO's base stations and the increased CDMA tower density - i.e. cdma capacity -would allow sprint to refarm A-F block for LTE sooner.

But long term and going forward, they could share base stations and whatnot.

I'd be interested to hear Sprint's response to network sharing.

If they're truly interested in saving capex and opex, then they should agree to this.

If not, they simply want to take out tmo to secure the low-end so they can go after the high-end.

People, the constant references to the Canadian wireless industry troika are growing tiresome. You need to respect the difference between correlation and causation.

 

If the domestic wireless industry were to consolidate to three national operators, would that lead to the same conditions as in the Canadian wireless industry? Okay, if you think so, provide some substantive analysis! Your simplistic assessments are not sufficient. Again, correlation versus causation.

 

Also, how is competition in the domestic wireless industry with four national operators that great? If four is so much better than three, why are Sprint and T-Mobile both so far behind and scrambling to keep up with the dominant duopoly?

 

AJ

I personally have no knowledge of the history of Canadian carriers. Why wouldn't it lead to Canadian situation?

Because they don't have low band spectrum. Give TMO 10x10 600 MHz and watch the duopoly crumble.

Amen.

Look at what TMO has done and the reactions they've FORCED from the big 3.

1) decoupled phone from service - ATT followed suit (though they didn't give consumers ALL the savings given that $450/24 = $18.75 for the iphone subsidy)

2) JUMP! - EVERYONE responded even though Sprint's response is most appealing. Though when you combine ATT's response to (1) with their NEXT, it's not as bad a deal.

3) international - fell flat and they'll probably rescind this if the roaming costs are not at least offset by new subs' revenue.

But at least they did SOMETHING.

The FCC can just trot out the same argument against Sprint+TMUS as the first time: TMUS is the challenger forcing everyone else to innovate. And if TMUS goes away, hello tri-opoly.

ATT's viability never depended on such a guarantee.