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You are basing sprints completion as compared to other carriers in other cities.. Comparing it to what? There is no s4gru for other carriers so vzw and att can tell you oh we are done but you know from being here that sprint can't do that. I know for a fact there are gaping holes in vzw 4g in cities they have announced as complete. But alas how could that be? They are complete..

Oh wait there is noone keeping them honest!

So you are willing to bet... That there are unforeseen issues slowing down sprints deployment. You use the fact you can see exactly the deployment. (though if there was no s4gru you wouldn't know any better and sprint would have said those markets are done and you couldn't argue any differenrt)

Now with the exception of massive weather abnormalities like 3 blizzards that hit Chicago last winter.. A superstorm named sandy.. And the noreaster behind her. And a tornado season that wrecked tornado alley.. Seasons summer or winter average out as a whole. Winter as a whole didn't hurt the deployment but then focus on areas down to not just market but neighborhood deployment you say weather effects as a whole (which isn't true) but say deployment in mature markets aren't good enough and a sign sprint and their contractors inability and incompetence to get things done.

Your seemingly only point is that you think and are willing to bet based on in depth analysis you can only find for one company in comparison to the others that sprint has hit bumps in the road for their deployment and that sprint will hit other snags that's a good bet.. Anyone can make that bet.. I'd say the biggest thing to hit everyone at this point would be in some markets where all three big boys are building out there is and will be some hybrid cable shortages... Slowing down back haul

You will focus on sprint saying that that is a sign of incompetence won't focus on the others because you're a negative Nancy for sprint don't know why don't care.. Even though same things are happening with vzw and att.. Would be great if we could see how superstorm sandy and blizzards effected the macromatket in cities you mentioned but till there is a v4gru or an a4gru no way to prove it.. So you go ahead and make easy bets with nothing but strawman accusations and assertions I mean how hard is it to say in an enterprise where you rebuild an entire network from the ground up adding thousands of miles of cable working on 39 thousand plus sites that but with this place you know when each are worked on how much of a leap is it and how hard is it to say there would be delays(same delays everyone else has to deal with) wow you are a seer a prophet buy a lotto ticket..

Well not really.. You just go to great lengths to be a negative Nancy I don't know the reasons I don't know if you are trolling for the other carriers... Focusing on only sprint cause your either an att or vzw fanboy I don't know if you are truly just a disgruntled sprint customer that once your neighborhood gets 4g you will fade away never to be seen from again.. Or if you just like being contrary..

Either way your analysis is off. You have gone to great lengths to say sprints build out is lacking but with no analysis of the other guys to this level you know there is no way for others to disprove. And once a a big storm hits you can say look at the jersey shore why is their deployment so far off.

It's easy to go to the micro and macro level when you can't do the same for others. Keep comparing sprints build out to vzw and att even though it's not apples to apples.. Or oranges.. And using the info you find here and only here to point out problems only in sprint but not fairly for others. What sprint is doing on just an engineering level is extraordinary but negative Nancys will always poo poo on others parade. No matter how much evidence there is that it's sunny out.

No I am using as a guide markets sprint has started over a year ago and are still not complete to markets sprint has just started. All on my information comes from s4gru, including that current run rates have many markets being complete long after mid year of 2014.

Ugh.. On one hand you say we'll you have more info than me... Then in same sentence you say but.. If you base it on this other thing... Let me pull a negativeright out of my ass.. And winter didn't slow things down last year but this year I guess you think somehow it will be different.. You are a rolling ball of negativity.. Here in phx and other warm weather states not only would it(if it did at all) not slow things down but would speed things up..

 

Stop being such a negative Nancy... AL isn't the only contractor in this game.. As far as they leaving 3G 3g for a while I'd rather have it that way.. Why have 4g active without the back haul to fulfill it? That's like having access to a t1 line but connected to a 56 k Modem ooooh I have 4g wow well its only 3G speeds till I have the enhanced back haul.. But im keeping up with the Jones I can say I have "4g"

 

Umm... I will have the impression I have based on what i am seeing. Chicago, Atlanta Dallas all are not complete and they where the first markets to launch. There are markets that have recently started if they take as long to complete then yes sprint will be pushing back their time frame. Then there is the fact that sprint has already pushed back their completion date twice and this is never a positive sign. Further, based on current deployment rates many markets are trending for completion later than mid-year. It not negative to look at te pace and say unless things speed up there not going meet their dead line, it's just an observation. In any case I would be willing to bet on it.

 

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now this is how I understand it... please correct any part(s) that are out of whack :-)

 

OPTION 1

but its not "your" phone untill its paid for at month 24, if traded at month 12... about $325 has been given to Sprint - trade it in and you get the next shinney phone with no out of pocket money no dealing with selling/trading your phone.

 

NOW if Sprint does give a $15 credit @ 12 months you gave Sprint $144.

 

OPTION 2

My s4 phone:

 

$199 at launch

I might get $250 for it in 12 months - so I made $50 (maybe I get $400 on ebay in that case $200 in my pocket)

 

so I sell my s4 and either break even or have $200 in my pocket, but no phone as the s5 sells for lets say $650 - which would cost me about $400 on a good day.

 

NOW don't get me wrong my math above is not very accurate. And Its not for everyone...

 

BUT to me I'd rather take option 1... unless I actually don't get it and if that's the case please educate me :-) as I don't know it all!

 

I would only add on more thing to your math. You are not going to sell you s4 and not have a phone, at least the vast majority of people will not. So if you sold it on eBay for 400 then you would pocket 200 minus a new phone. With the fact that you need more than likely need a new phone when you trade in the device you still owe 12*27=324 this gets wiped out so you "sell" the phone back for this price. The best way to look at this plan I think is that you pay 88 dollars more if you decide not to upgrade or spend 144 a year for a new phone.

The activation fee is included on the comparison chart under the "walkout price" row, at least in the version AndroidCentral has.

 

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But I think sprint's competitive research is pretty bad though. The say that AT&T next includes an activation fee and it does not.

Interesting program especially with the $15 monthly service discount. I wonder when this program is going into effect? I haven't done the math yet to see if this is any better than the other programs in terms of total cost.

It is better than vzw and AT&T, which is the same minus the 15 discount. Tmobile is 10 a month but it includes insurance, however on iPhones you have to put a down payment 150 for the 5s I think.

I would do this in a heartbeat except I am not moving to the new plans so hopefully upgrade now doesn't go away.

Sprint pushed out the completion of NV1.0 to April 2014 shortly after they got started in Spring 2012. Then they revised it to Mid 2014 later in 2012. Son we are still tracking for a Mid 2014 completion to NV1.0.

 

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Well you have a bit more information than me to be sure. But based on how long markets that are near complete have taken to get there and where some markets that have just started are I would be willing to place a bet that the dead line gets pushed back at least another quarter, especially if 800 is part of nv 1.0. Maybe things will speed up but AL has a habit of leaving 3G upgraded towers with out lte for a rather long time. And winter is coming, in certain areas of the country that will slow things down a bit.

Well, recently there were numbers thrown around that around one-fourth of the towers were to be complete by mid-November with complete coverage by the end of next summer.

Is that wishful thinking at this point???

Maybe, but the pace would have to pick up quite a bit. Honestly, I don't know that the backhual problems are the main driver of the slow roll out. there should be enough competition to make the backhaul providers not want to do a poor job for there customers. In any case I talked with a cox employee that ran the planning on the cox side and he left me with the impression that sprint and AL have made a mess of the planning and execution of NV in Phoenix, but I am sure he didn't want to make it seem as if cox is the problem.

There is no way that Phoenix will be complete by next summer at the current pace of 4G activation. The math just isn't there. With around 80 towers showing NV complete, I don't understand why we are not seeing 2-3 new 4G sites a day.

Depressing but true. Sprint's entire roll out probably won't hit the first quarter target and I would be surprised if they are finished with nv 1.0 by the end of the year. Samsung might be but the other two, I doubt it.

Thanks, according to that map I have one thats a couple miles from me. Didnt see any others close.

Was it 3G upgraded or 4/3G?

Ok, I donated and am now able to access the maps. Where do I look to see that Napa isnt finished. I went to the NV sites complete forum and didnt see any sites that are currently being upgraded. Thanks

Nv sites completed in the interactive maps forum

I am not to concern about the lack of 2.6 and well probably upgrade my 5 to a 5s. With the speed sprint is rolling out nv 1.0 I wouldn't be surprised is they are still working on it until the end of 2014, so I can imagine a nation wide roll out being complete until the end of 2014 at the earliest. So I'll either sell the 5s and buy the 6 or take advantage of sprint's not well publicized early upgrade program. I am a little miffed that I will have to get a new phone in a year but if I am being honest with myself I was going to do that anyway. But apple has a long term problem in their phones lagging the competition, the superior design will only get them so far. And if sells ever slip they'll lose out on carriers being willing to subsidizes the iPhone more than other smart phones.

Napa is not complete. If you donate to the site you can gain access to maps that show the completed sites near you. I think it is well worth it.

I don't buy that Sprint is getting it last because it isn't their largest customer because Tmobile is getting it Sept 25th and Sprint has more customers than them. However you might have a point in that manufacturing the Sprint variant due to 800 MHz may take some more time.

Both contribute. If att or vzw needed a special band LG would make it happen to have access to their customer base.

Sprint such fail. Why are they releasing the LG G2 so late?

It is not likely sprint's choice. Sprint would be happy releasing a full set of triband phones tomorrow, but the manufactures have there own time tables and sprint isn't there largest customer. Added to this is the fact that sprint 800 built into the phone which no one esle is using and yeah they are going to get phones later than other carriers. Hopefully when SoftBank and sprint start doing joint orders this will end.

Not really.  Absent a DAS or microcell contract, no wireless operator guarantees indoor coverage.  So, if you want faster, yet less robust airlinks, such as LTE, then you are largely on your own for data coverage indoors.  At home in Phoenix, you should be able to deal with indoor data, no problem.  If you do not, if you "go with the flow," then you are part of the problem that clogs up the flow.

 

AJ

They don't guarantee indoor voice coverage either. Yet the consumer expects it now a days. That was my point (I was also needling a bit true enough). So saying to someone that expects to use lte in their home and can't they should be using wifi is the same as telling a customer who expects to use voice (most customers ) and can't you should use a home phone. Customer are going to use their products the way it makes since for them and companies have to adjusts. If customer want to not use the wifi and use their lte and sprint can delivery they will some one else who can. That is the market, the consumer is king.

LTE is not for inside your house. Wi-Fi is for inside your house.

 

AJ

Cell phones are for inside your house. Home phones are for your inside your house. usages patterns change, go with the flow.

Mapped it on Sensorly!

Sorry, iPhone user.

So I am pretty excite to be making this post on something I had begun to believe might not happen. Lte some ware close to me! Ray and Dobson lte is still up and running

I hit lte on the 101 and ray rd in chandler.

There's a good article on fiercewireless.com about the NV1.0, NV2.0 phases and their timing:

 

s noted by Barron's, Wells Fargo Securities and investors met earlier this week with Sprint CEO Dan Hesse and CFO Joe Euteneuer, who provided more details and color on the company's Network Vision network modernization efforts, the first phase of which the carrier expects to complete by mid-2014 (as part of that, Sprint expects to cover 200 million POPs with LTE by year-end). The second phase will be the deployment of Clearwire's 2.5 GHz airwaves on a nationwide basis, and Sprint's management expects to reveal more details on that part of the company's plans "at some point in the not-too-distant future," according to note, written by Wells Fargo Securities analysts J. Davis Herbert and Eric Fishel.

Sprint disclosed in July that it plans to deploy Clearwire's 2.5 GHz spectrum using TD-LTE on all 38,000 of its planned Network Vision cell sites in a nationwide rollout. And, due to the weaker propagation characteristics of 2.5 GHz, Sprint will also deploy small cells and other sites beyond the 38,000 Network Vision sites. Previously, Sprint had said it would use Clearwire's spectrum as a "hotspot" LTE network to offload traffic in urban markets.

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Looking ahead in terms of capital expenditures, Sprint expects to spend around $8 billion in 2013, $8 billion in 2014, and then $6 billion per year from 2015 to 2017. The company is also still open to network sharing, depending on the economics.

 

Read more: Sprint plans to use 2.5 GHz spectrum to catch up to Verizon, AT&T in LTE - FierceWireless http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprint-plans-use-25-ghz-spectrum-catch-verizon-att-lte/2013-08-29#ixzz2dOTi8Ra0

 

 

I wonder who they mean when they talk about network sharing? According to some in this forum, they hate Dish and Ergen. Yet, he's the only one one that does not have his own network. Did they forgive and forget?

In business hard feelings take second place to good profit maximizing decisions for the firm. It is illegal for it not to.

I haven't paid much attention to this program and how it works. So lets say I have had my phone for 12 months and want to get a new one. I pay 200 plus the price of the phone minus the trade in value of my current phone? Is that how it works?

You really need to understand the difference between facts and attacks when reading posts, and stop taking things personally when it has nothing to do with you.

 

Saying Sprint made a serious customer service mistake by initially calling it a 4G fee is a fact. Ask any CS agent how many times they had to deal with an angry customer upset that they were paying a 4G fee and didnt get 4G.

 

3 years later its still an issue in this very thread.

 

It should have never been called a 4G fee.

It is an interpretation not a fact. The fact would be what sprint call the fee, saying it was a mistake is an interpretation. It was called a 4g fee initially because it only applied to WiMAX devices. It was later (fairly soon) rebranded a premium data fee because the extended it to all new smart phones. Except for a couple people on this forum I don't know anyone who cares. In fact in my life out side the Internet I don't know anyone who noticed! So as far as it being a mistake, well that is your interpretation and one I don't share.

I am not arguing that Sprint wasn't justified in charging for a smart phone's share of data. But, when I was upgrading from my 3G only Samsung Moment, the rep clearly stated if I got the Evo, I would pay the $10 4G premium but if I got a non 4G smart phone, I would keep my current bill. Because of that, Sprint specifically designed it to be exclusively a 4G add on. Later on, they made it more broad by calling it a premium data add on and charging it to everyone. Since Sprint reps now deny it is a 4G charge causes the confusion and bitter feelings since customers during that time frame were honestly told it was for 4G but now everyone insists they must be mistaken.

It was at first instituted as a 4g fee and only applied to WiMAX devices for about a month, but sprint quickly rebranded it as a premium data fee and extended it to all smartphones. It is a price hike nothing more. It is the new price sprint wanted to charge for smart phone data. If you disagree with it or think sprint was no longer a value because of it you have choices (the great thing about capitalism). If you are still with sprint you must see value in them so I don't get complaining about it. If you are not with them then you found value in someone else and I don't see how complaining about the 10 data fee is constructive. Let it go and enjoy your wireless life.

In markets that I have traveled to Where NV is more complete it has been real impressive. Usable data is really the norm in those markets. If you are looking for high speed test to boost your ego than no NV is not going to do that for you, at least not until 2.6 gets deployed. But if you want data that will stream video/music consistently NV is making that happen in the markets I have traveled to ( San Diego, la, San Francisco) now hopeful Phoenix can get going.