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Any chance the "Jet" will ship with more then just 1 GB? I feel like any high end phone should ship with a minimal 8 GB RAM.

I think you are confusing RAM with actual onboard storage space...The OneX for example comes with 32GB onboard memory if im not mistaken and something around +20GB is available to the user...

Actually what I think you are eluding to is what I proposed in comparing the Tegra 4 vs S4 since by then both chips will be running on A15 processors and be 28 nm. Tegra 4 will be quad core and S4 is dual core. If what you are saying is true in that its all about the entire SOC package, then the S4 should be on par with or if not better than the Tegra 4. That will really show that the S4 architecture is really superb in that it doesn't need a quad core in the Tegra 4 to get the same performance in a dual core.By comparing the Tegra 3 vs S4 there still puts doubt and other variables in whether the huge performance increase is from the lower die size, A15 processors, architecture. From what I have been reading, the S4 seems to have a significant increase in performance to the Tegra 3. What is not to say that Nvidia could come back with the Tegra 4 and blow these guys out of the water.I am loving the results of the S4 and the progress these chips are making with performance. Lets just hope we can get some benchmarks for the OMAP 5 and Tegra 4.

no not really b/c comparing the S4 dualcore is not going to come close to the Tegra4 as the field will be level except for the #cores and then in turn the Tegra4 trumps Qualcomm no question....

The S4 is just the series and could be referred to multiple different SoC's. In this case the MSM8960 (dual-core) does outperform the Tegra3 for the most part BUT it does lose on the GPU side of things according to anandtech...Also you can't look at the A15 and such as that will never be the same across all brands b/c like I said earlier Qualcomm design's their own and while the S4 series of chips are close to Cortex-A15 its not 100% that...

Quad-core Tegra4 blowing out the dual core MSM8960 is a no brainer and obvious thing that will happen...

The point is that # cores is not what matters its the package as a dual-core 28nm, Cortex-A15(or close to it) should beat out a quad-core 40nm Cortec-A9(or close)...

Its merely a fair comparison b/c those are the 2 chipsets at the top of the market that are both widely being readied right now and also being used in the same device...Till we see the S4 Quad-core MSM model out & the Tegra4 then comparisons b/w companies themselves could be more on even field. Before I'm just talking about comparing Cores and architecture of the chips overall not the makers themselves...

Its not only just that but comparing the Tegra 3 vs S4 is not a fair comparison because not only is the Tegra 3 (40nm) vs S4 (28 nm) but the fact that the Tegra 3 uses ARM-Cortex-A9 processor vs S4 uses ARM-Cortex-A15 processor. To me comparing the # of cores and the die size between the chips doesn't mean much and what I really think makes the difference between the chips is the ARM-Cortex-A15 processor. It goes to show how much the power, improvements and performance the ARM-Cortex-A15 processor has become.I really wish tech enthusiasts would stop comparing the Tegra 3 vs S4 or the OMAP 5 since its not apples to apples. The Tegra 4 coming out later this year will be quad core, 28 nm die size and will be using the ARM-Cortex-A15 processor. Once the Tegra 4 comes out, then I would like to see a comparison between Tegra 4, S4, and OMAP 5.

ehh maybe though ist not really an ARM 15 as from what ive read Qualcomm does their own thing and it is greater than A9 but less than A15 in a sense...

When that Tegra4 comes out then you can't compare to any current S4 as there is no quad-core MSM variety S4 out yet...and not set to be out till beg next year...

I'm okay comparing the tegra3 versus the current used S4 MSM8960 as your comparing a newer tech 28nm tech dual-core versus the older 40nm A9 quad. It makes things interesting there as you need to see its not all about cores in the device and its about the whole entire package offered in the SoC...

If you have not already, be sure to to check out AnandTech's MSM8960 benchmarks (linked in the article). The 1.5 GHz dual core "Krait" CPU leaves in the dust most other dual core hardware on the market.Better yet, the MSM8960's performance is competitive with or superior to that of even the quad core Tegra 3, which is used in the non LTE international version of the HTC One X.http://www.anandtech...nvidias-tegra-3So, it may be debatable, but Sprint seems to be getting the better CPU with the dual core MSM8960 in the HTC Jet (and another device to be named later).AJ

THIS!!!

sooooo many people tend to overlook the 28nm in the S4 vs the 40nm in the tegra3...its not all about the # of cores in the device anymore now that they are going lower in the process with 28nm and even lower int he future...

Only thing i HATE is the none removable memory!!! WTF. Thats the one thing Sprint should of made HTC bend over and put removable storage in the thing...Thats one thing that I can't overlook. extra Dropbox storage means nothing if you can't stream from it...

SIM'less LTE????

I gotta say, I still am amazed at how every FCC doc writeup for each Cellphone device that Ive EVER are completely different to some extent. Some include a page called RF summary, some dont, some use different format inside each doc too no matter if they are testing the same stuff...

Some include photos of device antennae location on doc X some do it on doc Y...funny overall its not more formatted in a more strict order...

so you answered your own question... Yes I have heard about the lack of space in the phone for additional antennae.

Ummm read again, b/c i clearly didn't less your taking my post wrong...Your saying before it was b/c chips dont support it and its not ready, which is not the case at all in any way. One, Chips already support the freq no problem. Two, if its b/c "its not ready yet" then they wouldn't of gotten the 3D certified for 800MHz use at the time of its release last year knowing that the possibility of that even being used was over 2 years out(least that was the original time table back then)...

The reason is simple. 800 LTE and 2500 LTE is not included because its not ready yet. 2500 LTE is not even ready since there are no chipsets out there that can support it hence the China Mobile agreement with Clearwire to establish standards. I don't think any customer really expected phones would support 2500 Mhz in 2012 though. Most expected 800/1900 Mhz support.As for 800 LTE, it was probably tested in the labs and maybe some FIT testing but since the 800 Mhz band isn't completely cleared yet to deploy LTE, why would Sprint include 800 Mhz LTE support. I am totally fine with the 2012 phones not including the 800 Mhz and 2500 Mhz LTE bands.

chips already support 2500/800LTE, that is NOT the reason. this has been discussed in great detail multiple times on here. Qualcomms chips support the frequencies so its NOT a chip issue in the slightest....Its more of a hardware limitation space issue as they run out of space for needed antennae in the device with each band they want to support...

It also has NOTHING to do with it "not being ready yet." If that were the case then like I mentioned above the EVO3D would NOT of been certified to use the 800MHz in the future b/c when the device was released at that point in time they were not set to open 800MHz up to it until end of 2013-2014 if I recall correctly...So why would they include this on the EVO3D even though they knew it would of been over 2-3yr away from being able to be used?

2500LTE will be up and running by next June already in over 5K locations...That puts 2500LTE on a shorter time frame than the EVO3D being able to use 800MHz band...

Seeing 800MHz LTE will NOT happen till iDEN is shut off or moved over to make room, and that puts that time table past when we will see 2500LTE according to Clearwire....

they cant do that as they may loose money in the long run. they need the customers to be theirs for 2 years before upgrading again to a phone that includes the 800lte support so they make more money

If that was the case then the EVO3D wouldn't of gotten 800MHz approval when it went through FCC before it was released...

Theres some other reason here as to why 800LTE/2500LTE are not included....

you should just ask the "ComputerMaster" as hes evidently been testing Sprints LTE for a long time now. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pSBGzfbzQ8&feature=related

sorry but just listening to the guy and watching some of his other videos makes it very difficult to believe some of the stuff he says....although the IP is one of Sprints registered IP's so you never know. lol

Also the point of sites being brought live in clusters is this specific to this market and other markets, or is this how they are going to be doing it nationwide going forward b/c it contradicts what you said about Boston being brought live site by site...

...It will be critical for Sprint to constantly monitor the network and keep up with adding additional LTE carriers and bringing them online as capacity starts to fill at each site. Each site will start with a FD-LTE carrier on 1900, then adding a FD-LTE carrier on 800 when needed, and even more TD-LTE carriers from Clearwire when needed beyond that...

Will "adding carriers" require truck rolls each time???

If so then why the F are they not going ahead and adding all they have right now while they are at the tower and also putting it on 800MHz if thats the full blown plan 100% sure?

wow nicely done there!! thanks.

okay I only asked b/c you said the RDU market boarders the Charlotte one which I guess i took too literally since the W-S market is next to it really, or even Fayetville....guess its kinda tricky to say which one boarders it to the east since Charlotte is a little south of RDU and such.

no biggie i was just wondering if the rollouts were encompassing 2 markets at same time and such or splitting smaller ones in half b/w neighboring bigger ones...

I take it that The Raleigh/Durham market that you say boarders the Charlotte one will engulf Greensboro or is Greensboro pretty much in Charlotte's rollout or both?

Know which markets are set to be done directly infront of Charlotte?

Like before in the NYC article you stated they are likely to get to NYC as soon as they finish up I think Baltimore or Boston.

Robert, you alluded to this in your previous comment, but if Clearwire wanted to increase their footprint, couldn't Sprint host Clearire LTE on Network Vision sites? Network Vision was supposed to allow Sprint to do spectrum hosting. So maybe Sprint hosts Clearwire, while Clearwire wholesales back to Sprint? That would also give Clearwire a nearly nationwide footprint.

Wanna say Robert discussed this in the NV thread to an extent.

The original idea was that they would do what you state and toss the 2.5GHz on the towers as they are doing the NV rollout and knock it all out at once, BUT evidently discussions b/w Sprint/Clearwire didn't work out as planned and they couldn't come to an agreement on terms for it....So it in a sense left Clearwire by itself to do their LTE for most of it...

Funny the company you have majority ownership in, you can't "force" them into an agreement...lol

I will say it would be cool if they did what Verizon did in Indianapolis for the superbowl and used the repeaters and smaller antennae throughout the city to handle the traffic....least in the troubled areas.

from what i've read it makes no difference b/c the freq is the freq. only way itd improve is if the antennae is vastly improved...which is why if clear would of put out LTE instead of WiMax just as many ppl would of been complaining as there are about WiMax b/c coverage would be no different...

though someone feel free to correct me if im wrong there.

I meant not being spotty as hell like Wimax is. Better penetration would help them too.

penetration wont improve till the technology for the radios and antennae's improve as the freq they use is the main issue with that.

It will be much less. For a long, long time.

so they are not converting each Wimax tower over to LTE then?

I would think they would tackle their current wimax towers and just convert each one of them over no? Or are you saying their conversion plan is very very very drawn out even though they are converting a fraction of the towers and a fraction of the work compared to even one of the 4 companies doing sprints NV rollout...?

this is redic for them to release this imho. absolutely absurd....So what when they pass through Raleigh and complete the bandaid fixes are they going to make another release....along with all the other big cities across the US??? nope. absolutely redic to even say anything...

gonna say the PalmPre is making a comeback! lol

doubt he says jack about any "new" device less its release dates for the nexus and LG they already stated they were having. Prolly more about NV LTE and stuff like that.

AJ,

haha i skimmed that article like a doufus. lol

wasn't trying to come off as emotional toward the name EVO but just that its still early to discount it out.

More so mainly b/c how Sprint and VZ like to have "their" branding on their flagship devices so that leaves anything possible for them. Just early to count it out...

Our readers are largely US centric, and that is understandable for a Sprint 4G focused site. But many may not be particularly aware of wireless services and devices outside of the US.To illustrate, few may know that EVO is not exclusive to Sprint, that HTC has released at least one EVO handset in Canada (Rogers), as well as versions compatible with networks in Europe and Asia.http://www.gsmarena....evo_3d-3901.phpNow, HTC has come out and stated publicly that it wants to release fewer devices and unify worldwide branding under the One name. So, like it or not, the writing is on the wall; HTC prefers One to EVO. And the eventual HTC 4G LTE spiritual successor to the EVOs will not likely carry the EVO name.http://www.anandtech...egy-the-htc-onehttp://www.phonescoo...icle.php?a=9931AJ

totally know about the other EVO's out there, and totally know about HTC's push to have fewer devices than in years past. BUT they have already started to get away from that with the link I posted above.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/26/htc-to-launch-dragon-series-smartphone-in-mainland-china-expa/

So its still way too early to toss the EVO "branding" out the door as Sprint/HTC started that and in the end Sprint has the decision on what it gets just like Verizon does.

Come CTIA in first of May we should know a ton more fact and not all this speculation.

I just hope Sprint bucks up and says they want microSD support at the very least...

hate that idea simply b/c it would mean no SD card and no removable battery. lol

i just want those things...on top of what they improved on already....

yeah I wouldn't be so quick on this. the last two years Sprint has put out a flagship device no one else has had to start with, and I would expect the same this year....(unless they are laying an egg and taking a year off while NV rollouts hit their pocket...)

more evidence that the EVO line might not be dead...They have the Dragon line too...

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/26/htc-to-launch-dragon-series-smartphone-in-mainland-china-expa/

Again, I personally can't believe you jumped to the conclusion that the EVO line was dead. pure speculation, should of been stated as such too. imho.