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On 6/28/2021 at 4:55 PM, Dkoellerwx said:

All AT&T along I-80 in Nebraska now instead of USCC or Viaero. No idea why when it would make sense to go with one of the actual roaming partners. 

With a T-Mobile/TNX SIM, or with a Sprint SIM?

On 6/24/2021 at 11:17 AM, though said:

US Cellular is a roaming partner for T-Mobile like Sprint? how are the speeds on it when roaming? hard cap or are they good?

I wonder if you can force roam like you mention on Pixel devices? This would be great for me. I am on a Sprint sim and lately instead of roaming on US Cellular (very adequate speeds) it's been roaming on AT&T (horrible speeds)!!!

Yes, T-Mobile does roam with USCC as well, though it's not quite as comprehensive as Sprint - it won't let me force-roam in some parts of northern Iowa, but I've been able to in Wisconsin and some parts of south-central Iowa. Haven't been to Nebraska to test there. Speeds are good - on my Samsung Galaxy A71 5G it'll even roam on USCC 5G (though the indicator still shows 4G LTE.) Looking at the speed tests I did, they were (in Mbps) 63.4/2.12, 12.6/2.38, 72.5/17.1, and 69.0/22.7. Ping times are pretty high (averaging around 100ms) but otherwise it's been pretty good when it's allowed.

T-Mobile also has Viaero as a roaming partner in Nebraska. There was one report on Reddit of that roaming not working with a TNX SIM, though it's possible that there's a phone/settings issue there too. When I went to Colorado a couple months ago I never encountered a Viaero signal so didn't test it.

On 6/20/2021 at 1:45 PM, iansltx said:

The only thing you get with a TNX SIM is SA. Sprint-SIM phones still have TMo as the primary, with keep sites filling in just like they do on TNX, but non-keep sites are available as a fallback (high priority roaming, basically). Oh, and you get CDMA (including 1x800) as a fallback rather than H+/GSM until CDMA goes away. The benefit of a Sprint SIM will decrease over time, but for non-5G there's still a benefit.

You want TNX basically for SA (if you wind up in areas where n71 can reach but B2/66 can't) and NR CA at some point where you can get n71 and n41. That's...basically it.

The other advantage of a TNX SIM is that you can force-roam on some networks through the built-in network search menu, at least on Android. The network still needs to be one that T-Mobile allows roaming on in that area, but it's been handy for me in a few areas where T-Mobile is weak but US Cellular is pretty reliable - I can go into the network selector and choose US Cellular so it stays on that network instead of trying to grab onto a weak T-Mobile signal.

7 hours ago, comintel said:

However there is another possible overlapping explanation.  It appears according to many posters on the T-Mobile subreddit that even on native TMobile, only iPhones and TMobile-branded Androids are allowed to roam AT ALL, EVER.

If this is true, it'd be a relatively recent development. I know back in 2017 when I had a T-Mobile plan I was able to roam on Viaero without issue. The biggest issue with roaming for some Android phones on T-Mobile is that T-Mobile needs to guarantee VoLTE when roaming on providers that don't have GSM/UMTS available, and their way of doing that is with a relatively restrictive whitelist. However, that shouldn't affect all roaming partners (AT&T, Viaero, and some others have GSM or UMTS voice available if needed, at least currently.) I could see this be a limiting factor for roaming on Sprint towers, however, as that'd likely require VoLTE to connect.

11 hours ago, Terrell352 said:

Sprint plan. Tmobile plans are outdated and now the worst in the industry in my opinion. 

Compared to Verizon and AT&T? T-Mobile is definitely still very competitive, especially after figuring in taxes and fees (which are included with Magenta and Magenta Plus plans, but extra on all currently-sold Verizon and AT&T plans.) A 4-line Magenta plan is $140, tax included. AT&T's "Unlimited Extra" (the mid-range plan) is $160 + tax, and Verizon's mid-range plans (Play More and Do More) are both $180 + tax. The extra perks between them could be debated as to which are better, but unless one of them stacks up perfectly with what you'd pay for anyways and the others don't, none of them are $20+/month better than the others.

1 hour ago, iansltx said:

As for mmWave, for the time being there's no point to doing more mmWave deployment. TMo can get orders of magnitude more mileage out of getting 2.5 built out, MU-MIMO added, and 100 MHz bandwidth turned up. For TMo, mmWave should only be used when they've run out of capacity on 2.5...which will take awhile...and at that point they can add in surgical deployments where needed.

Generally agree with this. While I wouldn't go so far as to say NYC is the only place that would take advantage of mmWave, that technology is only really useful for areas where you'd probably put a DAS system in now (arenas, airports, etc.) and as the "tower" portion of a fixed wireless ISP solution in cities, where you can point a receiver to a mmWave site and have it stay there semi-permanently, with the advantage of being able to optimize antenna placement and size to have better reception than we would accept in a phone. Outside of those areas, 5G on mid-band will provide more than enough bandwidth, lower pings, etc. for even a next generation of applications/devices.

14 hours ago, RedSpark said:

The crazy promotions should have been spent on capex instead.

Those promotions were all for nought in my opinion. They didn’t wind up creating enough long term customers out of them. The underlying product didn’t convey a sense of true value without being on a promotion. People left because they didn’t perceive Sprint as a brand worth the regular cost.

All these crazy promotions did was defer the customer losses we’re seeing now for a year or two or three. They didn’t make sense to do in the first place.

Sprint missed a real opportunity for effective capex in the past few years, customer losses be damned, because they’re happening right now anyway and Sprint is well behind the curve on where it should be on its network. If the product improves, people won’t leave if they perceive value.... but if it doesn’t measure up, they won’t come in the first place.

The problem is, if you don't have the revenue to support building out the network, you can't really build out the network. If you can add more people to the network, even at a reduced cost, that's still more money for capex. This is especially true if you can add them places where you have existing excess capacity - then their network hit is minimal to existing customers while allowing coverage to be expanded or densified elsewhere. Promotions help to draw more people in, ideally getting them to stay long-term (and, in a perfect world, convert them to customers who will pay full rack rate for the service.)

That said, there's certainly a balance to be had on the promotions. The one year free seemed like a particularly poor choice - you seek out the deal seekers without getting any particular sticking point for them to stay once the year is up. Since it's BYOD, people can easily switch away once that free year is up. The other promos (Kickstart and the initial promo rates on regular plans) are better promos in different ways.

Kickstart is good because it provides a consistent source of revenue ($15-$25 plus tax per month) while being extremely inexpensive to deliver. Sure, you're not getting a ton of money each month, but you're still getting some, and you don't have to pay for phone leases or store support (at least with the first few iterations.) I believe you can kick them down into deprioritization when traffic is high to help preserve the experience for customers paying full price. Ideally, these customers would be ones that need little to no support, manage their own devices, and simply keep the auto-pay going every month for their service.

The promo rates are decent because there's ideally going to be a tie-in that keeps them in longer-term (phone leases, ideally) while still giving them that first-year savings that can convince them to switch. They're also used to paying something for the service, so jumping from $100 to $140 for 4 lines is more stomachable than jumping from $0 to that same $140. It's the same model that cable companies use, though there they have the benefit of less competition as well.

11 minutes ago, cletus said:

So will this work like Google-Fi? or is this like a 3 year plan where they hope everyone gets new devices/new SIMs that can handle the 2 different networks? Or is it more likely that CDMA is sunsetted and GSM is what goes forward

At the end of the consolidation/merger process (which will likely take a few years) the T-Mobile network will become the only network, with its infrastructure and backbone being used. T-Mobile will add their equipment to select sites where Sprint has better locations and fills in gaps, and they'll use Sprint's bands on their equipment as they're able. However, the Sprint network will eventually be sunsetted, with all customers being on the T-Mobile network.

1 hour ago, though said:

Does T-Mo treat Viaero data as 'native' and is it unlimited? Any speed constraints?

It's treated much like Sprint's extended roaming partners like USCC, though it may be subject to a 5Mbps speed cap (I don't remember for sure, but I don't recall going over 5Mbps when I was roaming on Viaero last summer when I had T-Mobile.)

Phone updated to 55067.

Why won't Sprint gain more customers with "all that roaming?" They'll almost certainly go broke if they try to duplicate completely AT&T's coverage, much less Verizon's coverage. This is especially true now that T-Mobile is trying to fight in that same space.

Does Sprint need to cover more places natively/roam-like-native than they do today? Sure. But there's certainly enough people who don't need like-native coverage next to every forest and prairie with no people for miles around that Sprint could cater to. Sprint just needs to expand their network to the point where most (90% or so?) people are covered where they live, work, and spend most of their time outside of home/work, let roaming coverage offer essential connectivity when they're well off the beaten path, and let the other three carriers fight for the 10% of customers who wouldn't be well-covered by Sprint's network.

Native roaming is still roaming. I'm not sure why Sprint "needs" two million square miles of native coverage if they can start signing agreements that allow roam-like-native or at least roam-with-okay-service in rural areas. Call/text is fine (as far as I'm aware) in roaming areas, so it's only data that really needs to be negotiated on some sort of reasonable playing field with AT&T and VZW. That'll be difficult, but it's not impossible that they'll be able to get something in place.

I think writing off roaming as an option in rural areas that aren't near major highways rules out a quite viable solution to fill in those gaps that a budget carrier like Sprint simply can't justify competing in natively. Ideally, that roaming would offer usable data speeds (1.5Mb would be a minimum qualification for "usable," in my opinion.) However, if Sprint can build a solid core network that covers most people where they are most of the time, people can probably put up with a less-than-stellar experience the 1% of the time they're in an extremely rural area.

I'd much rather see investment in making the core network strong, covering urban and suburban areas well and the travel corridors that connect them. Targeted investment in known frequent roaming areas is also fine; if there's a place where a lot of people visit cover that well even if it's extremely rural. But there should also be some savings by not covering every square inch, which can be passed along to the customers in the form of a lower rate. Let AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile battle it out for those who need native rural coverage, and let Sprint differentiate themselves with a value price that offers a solid network experience most places but is okay with relying on roaming for the last 1-2% of the time when people are away from the highly-populated/traveled/visited areas.

People don't like roaming if the experience is terrible when they're roaming. A lot of Sprint's roaming is terrible when it comes to data (1x speeds.)

However, if the experience is seamless, people really don't care too much, or at least I can't imagine why people would. When I'm roaming on US Cellular, my data works beautifully and it feels like native service. I honestly don't care if I'm on Sprint or USCC roaming, because both experiences feel the same. Most people don't care about the technical side of how their phone service works; they just want it to work.

Roaming in extremely rural areas makes sense, especially for a budget carrier. There's not enough money to be made to invest in towers absolutely everywhere. However, that experience should feel similar to on-network usage, at least for a limited usage timeframe/usage amount. If that was the case everywhere, then most people would be fine with a little roaming here and there, especially if the cost savings were decent or the on-network experience was better than the other carriers.

On 11/12/2017 at 5:46 AM, Trip said:

I'm trying to puzzle something out about the Extended LTE thing Sprint is doing with US Cellular these days.  Maybe someone here has a better idea.

My mom wants a smart phone for Christmas.  My parents, many of you may recall, live in US Cellular territory, which is the primary reason I am a Sprint customer, since service in that area is important.  Both are retired.  Now that Sprint has this Extended LTE thing going, I'm trying to figure out if I could put my mom on my Sprint unlimited family plan or if that would be a problem.  It's similar to the problem that I have going there; everything is theoretically fine if she's out and about in Farmville/Appomattox/Lynchburg/South Boston where Shentel or Sprint would have native service, and at home, the wifi works more often than not these days (it's improved in the past year).  The real issue will be those times when the home Internet is out, or if she is in the county (library, post office, traveling to and from aforementioned cities, etc.) where service would be coming from US Cellular. 

Does anyone have a sense of whether or not that would cause a problem?  I can't find a policy for Sprint indicating what limits, if any, there are on the Extended LTE.  Thanks.

- Trip

I think the general rule is the majority of usage must be on native network. That being said, if there was an Airave at home and they used that most of the time, you'd probably be okay as long as they're not pushing multiple gigabytes over the USCC network.

58 minutes ago, Fraydog said:

Given that competition is as fierce as it is, Sprint simply can't afford a weak front. If I wanted to distill my argument to one sentence that would be it. If you think Sprint can slack on rural and grow to 65-75 million customers, that's fine. That's your opinion. I have my opinion and have stated the facts I have to back it up. Henceforth my respectful disagreement. 

What would be "not slacking" on rural coverage? I don't disagree that Sprint should have coverage along rural highways and in some of the populated towns in the area, but it seems foolish for Sprint to go crazy on adding towers in small towns off the beaten path. Better to be the value carrier and utilize roaming agreements for the people that don't live in those areas but may need coverage a couple times a year.

Sprint has a ways to go to have all the major roads covered, but that should be their focus, not just trying to push up square miles covered for the sake of covering them.

1 hour ago, JossMan said:

 I rather see Sprint go at it alone and Son just pump money into the network and show that Sprint is a serious player to Verizon. 

I don't see Sprint, even within the next 5 years, being a true "serious player" to Verizon, especially in rural markets. The cost to do so would be immense, likely for relatively little gain in the short-to-medium term.

In my view, Sprint's competitive path forward is to try and morph their network into the "value carrier" network. With T-Mobile's huge capex over the next few years on the 600MHz side, rates will likely have to go up to make the network profitable. If Sprint can focus their capex on densifying and making truly solid their urban/suburban network, ensure the highways between them are adequately covered, and keep strong roaming agreements to cover those remote locations that are well off the beaten path (enforcing roaming limitations as needed to ensure that it's not a huge cost sink,) I think Sprint can find a distinct path as the value carrier that will give you an inexpensive price compared to the other three but with a solid network where you need it most and backup to ensure you can still call/text anywhere there's cell service.

Well, you got the market right I believe.

Well, if you check this map, http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/4186-network-vision-site-map-minnesota-dakotas-milwaukee-and-north-wisconsin-markets/ you will see a list of sites expected to get NV upgrades, the nearest one I see is to the east in Belgrade. Are you sure the tower in Brooten is/was Sprint and not Nextel or some other carrier?

There was one installed by Northern PCS in Brooten on the city water tower there. I do remember it was a Sprint tower, as I used to have Sprint myself and would have full native coverage in town off of that tower, even on Virgin Mobile where it can't use non-Sprint towers. I do notice it's not on that map, which is strange. Next time I'm in the area I'll get some pictures if I can.

That said, I think it has microwave backhaul...I remember hearing somewhere that it was a "repeater" of some sort, though signal strength was equal to a normal tower.

I'm not sure if this falls under the Minnesota or Dakotas market, but here goes:

The tower in Brooten, MN has (or at least had been) having issues since July. I haven't heard of a resolution yet, though I'm not always in that area. Is that tower changing over in Network Vision or are they decommissioning the site? I looked at the coverage map on Sprint.com and it doesn't reflect that tower's coverage anymore.