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29 minutes ago, Tengen31 said:

I also think the B29 Dish would likely end up with att as it's only 5x0 and makes no since for anyone else. Unless New TMO wants a Extra 5x0. For att visit would allow them to go from 5x0 to 10x0.

 

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That would probably be a good idea. That would be a nice chunk of spectrum for AT&T in the 700Mhz Band.

14 minutes ago, dro1984 said:

Sounds good to me too!   Either way... It would look like a win-win!  

If something like this were to pass, I expect that T-mobile could host Dish's AWS-3 and 600Mhz holdings without a tower visit. Dish's band 70 would probably require new RRH's so Dish would need to pay some money to deploy that spectrum. But the AWS-3 and 600Mhz can be hosted right away with no fuss or muss.

1 minute ago, dro1984 said:

Maybe that's the winning ticket?  Have Dish come on board with their spectrum and then let New T Mob build it out while giving excellent terms to Dish so they become a sort of 4th carrier?   

I would not be opposed to that. Heck. I would not be opposed to Dish also buying Boost so that at least they start with some customers.

There will be no spectrum divestitures. This is some hack over at Bloomberg being creative. However they could insert some vague language in the agreement saying that the new T-Mobile will give Dish favorable hosting terms.

10 hours ago, danlodish345 said:

It's going to strain spectrum resources if another carrier is created. They should divest some spectrum.

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Hell no, there is a player right now with lots of spectrum, Dish. They better force them to either deploy their spectrum or sell it.

According to Reuters, Boost is valued between $3B-$4B. 

How far away from the site? Across the street?

A little bit more technical detail on how ENDC methodology will work for Sprint:

"So what is ENDC? ENDC stands for E-UTRAN New Radio – Dual Connectivity, in standards parlance. According to 3GPP standards documents, ENDC allows user equipment to connect to an LTE enodeB that acts as a master node and a 5G gnodeB that acts as a secondary node. For Sprint, ENDC will allow devices to access both LTE and 5G simultaneously on the same spectrum band: Band 41/2.5 GHz."

https://www.rcrwireless.com/20190528/5g/what-is-endc

As I understand it, ENDC is an intermediate step to DSS (Dynamic Spectrum Sharing) in that ENDC the spectrum is shared statically (e.g., 3x20Mhz for LTE and 3x20Mhz for 5GNR). DSS dynamically allocates spectrum between the two technologies based on demand.

1 hour ago, clbowens said:

After the TMobile/Sprint merger is approved, and TMobile transfers B41 to 5G only, will Magic Boxes become useless?

Pretty much, unless the backhaul is B25 which will be probably congested.

Dish's Band 70 is composed by 1995-2020 Mhz on the downlink and 1695-1710 on the downlink. It is a unique band as in nobody else has it and it is not on any phone. If Dish is selling, Verizon might be interested because they could beef up their midband and they could pull it off since they have 130 million subs. If the merger is not approved then T-mobile might be interested in Dish's AWS-3 holdings and Sprint might be interested in their 600Mhz. That's why Dish is so vehemently opposed to the merger because all of a sudden it takes out 2 potential customers for their spectrum. If the merger goes through their best play would be to have their spectrum hosted by one of the remaining carriers and they themselves becoming the 4th carrier with no customers to begin with. I don't think that they are looking forward to that. Their play was to acquire Clearwire and/or Sprint and when that failed, to speculate on spectrum. I think they counted on spectrum scarcity but with the advent of CBRS and C-Band that speculative play is no longer lucrative. If they're still interested in selling, they will take a very substantial haircut particularly on their AWS-3 holdings.

1 minute ago, tyroned3222 said:

Correct, but that will all take time.. the fastest way to migrate customer is to move over and add sprints midband spectrum.. than focus on the the band 41 part of it.. some sites may not be able to handle all the weight( lot to factor in).. we have wooden sites now that can’t handle more than band 4 here


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Never heard of wooden sites.

6 minutes ago, tyroned3222 said:

Most of it was discussed at conferences the rest is pretty much just basic stuff.. tmo decommissions the sites you get a tmo sim and if you’re device is compatible than you will be on tmo network.. band 4/2/25/26/12/66/71 will be the LTE network.. band 41/band 71/mmWave will be the capacity/coverage for 5G as stated by Neville. The main priority will be the integration of customers as soon as possible


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All those bands minus  band 41 cannot handle the influx of Sprint customers. T-mobile's network is already congested in some places. I am willing to bet that band 41 will be split between 4G and 5G at first with a static allocation and as the network is integrated and all the sites have to be visited they will probably implement DSS (dynamic spectrum sharing) between 4G and 5G.

16 minutes ago, tyroned3222 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tmonews.com/2018/12/t-mobile-cfo-talks-plans-sprint-network-following-merger/amp/

 

So, say you’re city is up. They decommissions sprint network than you will be placed on tmo lte grid with a compatible device. The fastest way to add capacity to tmo grid is to integrate band 25/26.. Neville has stated at conferences that he plans to use all of band 41 for 5G and leave his current lte network as a fall back until its time to refarm

 

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That article does not have anything close to the technical detail that what you quoted before. Yeah eventually they will shut Sprin't network down and use B41 for 5G. I am looking for a time line from an authoritative source.

16 minutes ago, tyroned3222 said:

It’s all on the the new tmo website


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Where? Do you have a link? That looks like a post from a discussion forum. I went to newt mobile.com and all I can see is marketing fluff. Plus it would be a great mistake  to kick all Sprint customers off of B41 and on to mid bands. A much better approach would be to have dynamic sharing on 2.5GHz between 4g and 5G while encouraging people to buy phones that have both 5G and B71.

39 minutes ago, tyroned3222 said:

This is the Customer/ network integration plan.. been public for a while now for anyone that curious


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Is this from a trusted source or is this somebody's musings?

Well, Pennsylvania's PUC approved the merger! One down, 49 more to go! 😂

This is worse than political leaks.The only problem is somebody is manipulating it for profit. The head of the DOJ should go on TV and calm down the rumors.

C-Spire has withdrawn from the anti-merger alliance:

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2019/05/23/telecom-firm-no-longer-opposes-sprint-t-mobile.html

Is Dish next?

16 minutes ago, tyroned3222 said:

If the DOJ wants to sue and if the reporting is accurate. It’s not because of concessions those comes from the FCC ( the DOj has no clue about spectrum etc..) it would be simply just an anti-trust/ Clayton act issue ( the doj just not accepting the us to go from 4 to 3 carriers) and a hard one to overcome if the reporting is accurate.. If DOJ sue ( this time based on the lose against att) I think they have a strong case to win and it will be up to sprint and tmo to see if they wanna spend resources and time fighting in court

 

 

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They have absolutely no case if they sue on anti-trust grounds. None!!! If they sue on anti-competitive grounds the T-mobile/Sprint conglomerate can say that we have to have enough money to invest in the business and make a profit so we reserve the right to raise raise prices after the 3 years we promised the FCC. Why don't you limit Verizon's and AT&T's profit if you want lower prices? Lower prices is the reason why Sprint is in the shape it is in, financially and network wise.  I wish I was the guy representing Sprint/T-Mobile in a court case that was brought in by the DOJ. I would shred them!!!

7 minutes ago, NYC126 said:

I don't think the DOJ will lose this time.

They will be beat like a conga drum.

2 hours ago, JossMan said:

Pretty simple, its clear the DOJ wants to keep four carriers.  Everyone knows that having three carriers will kill all competition in the wireless market.  Best thing for Son to do is take the "L" and sell Sprint to someone that is willing to put in the CAPEX and give Sprint a nudge in the right direction.

Or sue the DOJ and win in the courts. I don't think the DOJ wants to lose again like they did in the AT&T Time Warner deal.

1 hour ago, Tengen31 said:

Any examples of where?

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I don't have time to look it up right now.

20 minutes ago, dkyeager said:

The question is what will New T-Mobile have to pay (in cash or spectrum).

Yep 😂. I am also wondering if the new T-Mobile will be willing to host Dish's 600MHz and band 66 holdings and Comcast's 600MHz holdings in exchange for capacity sharing. They already have the equipment up so why not? Win/win situation. Maybe FCC can threaten Dish with revocation of their licenses? 

1 minute ago, Tengen31 said:

Tmobile and Sprint have already been going thru that with each other. An far as with att or VZW I think there's done for.

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Well there's a lot of spectrum swapping to be done in the AWS-1/AWS-3 bands. Some of it will bleed over.

I expect a lot of spectrum swapping to get contiguous spectrum on band 2/25.