Mobilesolutions

Considering Comcast will be capping most of their residential-class subscribers at 300GB, and AT&T DSL is 150GB (250GB for U-Verse), a top offering of 150GB sounds pretty fair for a home ISP in this market, depending on the overage rate. A permanent bump-up makes more sense than just terminating the account. I can't imagine there would be many who opt for the 5 or 20GB tiers, but maybe that's just the bubble I live in. Will there be different caps and prices for small businesses?

No overage fees, I don't believe in it. I'd rather make exceptions for the high usage folks and work out an agreement so that everyone has a plan that fits their usage best. A portion of folks, especially those that have had limited or no prior access to broadband will fit the lower tier packages well, as it will be an affordable alternative to anything currently available and if you end up using more than expected you will just have to move up to a higher tier package.   The only thing available to small businesses will be the mobile portion of the network, the fixed wireless & FTTH will only be for residential.  Many businesses already have access to some sort of a metro fiber provider.

Yes, a fiber service (GPON?) should be able to be left uncapped, but I didn't mean that. You mentioned how your wireless service could withstand abuse for a long time, so I was curious as to what extent. Forget 10TB- even a 200GB cap would exceed any other mobile option I can think of.

I was thinking something along the lines of 5,20,50,90,150 cap plans for Fixed wireless.  Choose what suits you, if you exceed it 3 times you will be forced to move up.  I think it's fair.  

That's a bold claim... if you can match FiOS's 10TB soft cap that would be something. A 50/40 connection could in theory move up to about 28 TB a month if my math is correct.

 

 

 

Agreed. With all that spectrum and the addition of small cells that will be deployed throughout most of Clearwire's old footprint, I'd say offer two options- high speed (match the local cable ISP's standard tier, which is likely around 20/5 Mbps but with a lower cap of about 100GB) to a 2600 LTE-only modem, or lower speed (6/1 Mbps, same cap) on either 2600 or 1900 LTE. 800 LTE should stay off limits as a last resort for mobile/rural users. Even in urban areas the competition would be welcome to keep the cable/telco duopoly in check until residential fiber arrives.

Over a FTTH connection I would be able to leave bandwidth relatively unlimited.

Sprint is not a home ISP. If Sprint offers 50Mbps home service via TD-LTE, it will have a lot more takers than WiMax. And it will fill up the airwaves in no time. We all have just been asking for years to have a usable smartphone experience. I'm not willing to give that up for home users.

 

And if they do consider it, you can forget unlimited on it. They will do something like Verizon has done with their home ISP LTE service with data tiers.

 

If I was the head of Sprint I would offer service specifically in rural unserved areas and maybe offer those people unlimited, or very high caps. Or just streaming caps and unlimited browsing.

 

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I think i am the one with the expendable spectrum for the home users.. I have enough to take on several years of abuse; In which time I can get a fiber connection to as many homes as possible. 

I as well need 50K cell sites. 

My guess is that Sprint will stop Clearwire LTE deployment on CLWR sites. Sprint will only add TD-LTE on Network Vision sites, as needed for capacity. After 2014, Sprint would then start dismantling the CLWR network.That's what I would do. Sprint will need to get rid of all those redundant CLWR sites to reduce operational expenses. And CLWR doesn't really offer any additional coverage to Sprint, especially after Sprint deploys 800. CLWR just has denser site spacing within the Sprint footprint.Expect CLWR sites to go away after the WiMax commitment disappears. Of course, this is all dependent on whether Sprint ends up with CLWR and DISH does not end up with Sprint or Clearwire. And these are just my educated guesses.Robert via Nexus 7 with Tapatalk HD

If I owned Clearwire I'd pillage it for the spectrum. This is Sprint's opportunity to get fat.

They did get them re-certified. Some early markets did have RRU's that weren't compatible, but a firmware update to the RRU should fix the issue. Not sure how they will do that though.

 

 

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If Sprint plays there cards right, they Could be King. 

So what is the point of this thread again?  I thought it was explained why there is no such thing as 5G at this point.

To talk about 5G, or the lack thereof.

We do have a candidate for 5th generation back haul, but still limited in the availability of spectrum for consumer access. 60MHz will still make for a zippy network no doubt, but there are no devices for it..yet 

60Mhz in TDD flavor at MCS 23 would give you an actual real throughput of 293.04 mbps with a 29% path loss.  Then comes in [MSS]TDMA and you start aggregating spatial streams & now we have some wicked fast wireless. 

-Will-

So looking at this on my phone, I thought you had some funky blue triangle on the building that was the antenna...

Haha! The internet of blue triangles.

Little Non climate controlled Nema cabinet

Josh, I got about 2 driving miles out from the "serving cell" before falling off, i was able to reconnect fairly quickly and it appears alignment is nearly spot on as it wouldn't ping a server until I was pulled away on a side street behind a church, which decimated any shot i had of clearing the Fresnel.  I later mapped the distance at about 1.8 miles in a straight line. 

This was from my laptop & If i find the screenshot from my phone I'll edit back and add those as well. 

I have noticed with my GS3 that for whatever reason it will not negotiate past 25mbps on the 2.4 card in the Mikrotik, however upload will sometimes exceed 50; my laptop does not have this limitation 

The blue antennas are the first of 2 sets of antennas we will have on this building. I should have grabbed a picture before they were painted. 

After I managed to close my jaw after seeing that sub-10ms ping, I had to open it again when I saw the upload. That's about twice as fast as the highest speed Comcast will provision over DOCSIS (105/20), and better than half of what FiOS's six tiers provide, never mind DSL. It's certainly faster than anything I've seen so far from Sprint's new TDD 2600. You may not be able to maintain perfect symmetry, but if you can keep it over, say, 30 Mbps, then I think the upload alone will leave you with a very competitive and unique offering. Although of course I expect the cap will understandably be a bit more strict that the soft cap (~10TB) FiOS seems to be using.

The goal to maintain symmetry over TDMA will extend until i make a transition to [MSS]TDMA; which i probably won't get started on anytime in the next year.  Maintaing symmetry will become very important when multiple (hundreds & thousands) of users begin piling up in the time que as they move in and out of cell sites. 

You win simply by running Ubuntu! I dual boot Ubuntu. I am teaching myself how to operate in bash, Python, and emacs with Ubuntu. I like it a lot. It runs really smooth even on my laptop from 2003.

My Dad was an OG Unix programmer so I grew up along side, its only been in the last year or so I took to Linux full time for my PC. Like you I always did a dual boot.

That's ok. If you don't have it set for 3 miles, that's ok. I have a Fire Station communications tower less than 2 miles from me that fixed wireless services are co-located on for internet service. It'll be good enough for me. Now, if it's cheap enough, I could use the speeds that you have on your speedtest, but I don't and probably will never need an upload speed that high. Wow. I suppose you will be using a equal ratio of upload/download, or is this more for testing purposes right now?

Edit, I take that back. It will be changed when I test MSSTDMA on a large[r] scale.

Holy Cow! Look at that ping time! I'm curious to know how performance stands at 3 miles from the site

 

 

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Josh, I'll have to hurry, and i don't think the antenna's are aligned for 3 mile use.  I can double check some docs but i'm pretty sure the overlap zone on the next site is just 1 1/2 miles south.  Either way I'll drive till I fall off the network, then I'll turn back. 

Also if i have time to make it I'll try to grab a pic of the crew we have out today for the 2nd site,  And here soon I'll be able to do more real life testing ( in & out of buildings )

I am sure that Robert will eventually chime in, but for now, I will speak for the staff.  Many of us have not had time the past few months to the write the articles that we have roaming around our heads.  For that reason and many others, we warmly welcome contributions to The Wall that are relevant and interesting to our readership.  If you have an idea, run it by Robert first to get the go ahead.  Then, write the article.  If it is your first contribution, do expect a staff member -- probably me -- to copy edit your submission to ensure that it meets our standards.  Once it is published, you are conferred the Contributing Author title and privileges for the next six months.

 

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In that case, i have some left field articles that i need to start on. 

With a 10 MHz FDD band 13 LTE 750 carrier and a 10-20 MHz FDD band 4 LTE 2100+1700 carrier, who wants the 5 MHz FDD band 2 LTE 1900 carrier?  That is like the runt of the litter.  And that is my point.

 

AJ

Be that as it may, 750 is a very loaded carrier; at times unusable. I would be looking to maximize the investment from an AWS rollout and taking a card from Sprint's playbook (custom sectors) AWS+PCS would be feasible if they overlay on 100% of their 750 footprint.

I do see that vzw would have some hardship in doing so, as in most markets with cell 850; site spacing does not have to be as tight. Another problem for vzw is their site choices are quite awkward ( at least in Tulsa) they use many small poles, some wooden & rack space simply isn't available, nor is the broadcast height suitable for anything other than island style coverage with AWS. Their options are limited & they carry around the largest subscription base.

hmm... sub-Ghz, running a TDD setup?!?!  You using some of the unusable 700Mhz or squatting on some unused TV channel in 600Mhz?

What type of frequency for the downlink and what type of backhaul are you using?

I'll keep my mouth shut on the frequency, it is sub GHz though.  Back-haul is fiber; but will be a mix of Fiber & FOA. The site tested is the "master" and is fed via a direct line. 

AJ knows what frequencies i'm using and hasn't torched me..yet.

All I know is that I am very curious and interested in what comes up with mobilesolutions in the next year. If I can dump Comcast, I will name my first born after him. I hope and pray it isn't Egor or Herman..

My name is William..not as bad as Herman. 

Though this is for the mobile side of the network, I have been out testing a set-up since around 5 and just finished up before dusk.  I am running 10Mhz TDD channels today, shot taken was at about 1/3 mile from the site (10 story building) I believe GPS thinks the height is 113 feet.  My device on the receiving end is a home-made Mikrotik setup with a 2200 mah battery.  This is not "5G" speeds, but it is quite good for mobile; and will make for an affordable consumer hotspot service. 

If i can dig it up, ill post the fully maxed out 10MHz sector.

Maybe.  But VZW does not have the same level of PCS holdings that the other big three do.  New York City is really the exception in that regard with 40 MHz of PCS.  In so many other markets, VZW has only a single 10 MHz PCS license.  At best, that would buy VZW only an added 5 MHz FDD band 2 LTE 1900 carrier.  What does that really gain?

 

AJ

A 5MHz PCS carrier for VZW sounds quite fit to me.  Vzw would have an uncrowded band to run its own version of TRI-Band devices.

Fortunately my S4 has never held on to LTE that long. The lowest I've seen is -120, but it usually drops to Ev-DO by -116 dBm. IMO there should be a firm cut-off at -115 dBm, much like 1xRTT always switches (in my experience) to 1x 800 at -105 dBm, for the few times I find myself parked on PCS and both signals are available in the area.

 

It makes Sprint look bad if they have 4+ bars (which most people think represent all types of signals) but their new LTE data is slow or times out like legacy 3G. Perhaps once LTE 800 is rolled out devices will be less stubborn about holding on to LTE 1900.

 

 

What we need is a master list from Sprint of all the LTE Serving Cells and to which site and/or sector they belong. Then that information could be turned over to Mike so he can incorporate it into his app. However, as far as I know it's only on HTC phones that the serving cell number has been able to be retrieved and displayed by the app, and I wonder if such a list even exists.

My S3; after a modem update/flash will hold on far too long

I imagine as more bands are available the devices will be less likely to cling to fringe signals for so long.  I believe the signal bars are just an attempt from the marketing dept.  If they lower the signal strength to represented bar ratio; folks (particularly the ones that hound Facebook) will conclude that NV has decreased there connection strength. 

AJ, I'm sorry.  I should have used the Engineering screens   

Given that true 4G is supposed to have 100Mbps-1Gbps peak speeds depending on whether you're stationary or moving, I can't imagine what actual 5G (and not some 4G+ transitional technology the marketing guys will try to slap the "5G" label on) will be able to accomplish while also maintaining some semblance of reliability, especially given that it's not likely that enough spectrum will be cleared for wide (100 MHz+) high power terrestrial carrier channels.

 

We all love our wireless broadband but sooner or later we as a country are going to have to bite the bullet and build out FTTH in an appreciable manner.

Sir without spilling all the beans; I have a personal goal to give fiber access to every residential home/apt in the country.

 

 

This isn't my picture, but it's the same panels that are being installed on my local site.  My area has great service from Sprint, T-Mobile, and Verizon, which makes me think it's AT&T but when I see an AT&T site I usually find that they have 4+ panels per sector.  Maybe they're new panels?

This looks exactly like what AT&T uses for LTE around here..

Your endless teasing me is driving me crazy. When can you start publishing details?

There will be public information available by the start of 2014.  If i can say anything sooner, it will be on this forum. 

Oh, i know. But we're getting ahead of ourselves lol

Are we now? 

I see mr.smartass. Let me break it down again. LTE-A 5G "LET-Advanced 5th generation" Would have been interesting.

LTE 5G WILL be interesting.

I promise