Tengen31 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Verizon tries to prevent T-Mobile from getting more 600 MHz spectrum Verizon says the FCC should not allow T-Mobile access to additional 600 MHz spectrum to “dramatically expand” its lead “in many of the country’s largest markets without subjecting these arrangements to the same rigorous competitive analysis the Commission normally applies to transactions that exceed the spectrum screen.”Is this vzws way of saying they actually want some 600 for themselves?Sent from my SM-G975U1 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paynefanbro Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Tengen31 said: Is this vzws way of saying they actually want some 600 for themselves? Sent from my SM-G975U1 using Tapatalk I don't think Verizon wants any 600MHz at all. Rather they're concerned about a growing spectrum gap between T-Mobile and themselves which I think is a fair critique. T-Mobile has been very vocal about being interested in purchasing more spectrum in upcoming mid-band and mmWave auctions as well as leasing 600MHz in markets where they had very little. If I were Verizon I'd think it was unfair too considering T-Mobile already has a massive spectrum advantage over every other carrier in the U.S. by far. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrph Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I don't think Verizon wants any 600MHz at all. Rather they're concerned about a growing spectrum gap between T-Mobile and themselves which I think is a fair critique. T-Mobile has been very vocal about being interested in purchasing more spectrum in upcoming mid-band and mmWave auctions as well as leasing 600MHz in markets where they had very little. If I were Verizon I'd think it was unfair too considering T-Mobile already has a massive spectrum advantage over every other carrier in the U.S. by far. Let’s get what you already have out there first. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansltx Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 52 minutes ago, derrph said: Let’s get what you already have out there first. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The 600 they're talking about is already out there. Channel 51 loaned it for COVID reasons, and TMo wants to convert that loan to a lease. WIth how broad TMo's n71 is, they can turn up additional n71 spectrum with the flip of a switch. Though, again, *not* having access to the spectrum just means n71 speeds will get slower in the affected areas as bandwidth decreases. I saw that here when TMo went from 30x30 of band 71 to 15x15. Oh, and if Channel 51 can't lease to T-Mobile, that basically lets Dish take their sweet time building out their own network, asking Channel 51 for cheap leases on the spectrum at a later date, while TMo customers get crappy speeds due to congestion. Someone on Twitter brought up that what Verizon really wants here is TMo to divest PCS or AWS in order to get the leases. This is an inconvenient time to divest PCS because not enough Sprint customers have been migrated, but TMo could probably sell some AWS-3 and not feel it too badly. I'd expect TMo would want to divest AWS rather than PCS not only because they have more of it deployed, but also because there would be at least three bidders in the divestiture (AT&T, VZW, Dish) rather than just two (DIsh isn't going to touch PCS). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenbastard Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Paynefanbro said: I don't think Verizon wants any 600MHz at all. Rather they're concerned about a growing spectrum gap between T-Mobile and themselves which I think is a fair critique. That's funny considering Verizon went all in on the 700 Mhz auction when they already owned Cellular licenses in most of the country. They gobbled up the upper C Block and several A and B blocks in 2008 (which are now owned by T-Mobile and At&t). Where was the concern then? Edited August 31, 2020 by greenbastard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardsfan96 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 I don’t understand why everyone is now all of a sudden against T-Mobile leasing more 600 MHz. We are talking about spectrum that will sit unused providing no benefit for anyone. It doesn’t make any sense for anyone else to put it to use other thank T-Mobile. Also we all know that T-Mobile really doesn’t really have an advantage in low band compared to the others and after the upcoming c-band auction, AT&T and Verizon will likely close that total spectrum gap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 So I've now spotted T-Mobile Band 41 LTE on several sites in the Alexandria/Fairfax County, VA area, and I expect to see more area tomorrow. It appears to be on at least half a dozen that I've seen, though I'm not able to do a precise count right at the moment. Spectrum usage now appears to be something like this: 2518.4 MHz - small cell/strand mount 2538.2 MHz - T-Mobile LTE second carrier (I've not seen any small cell second carrier operations, so I assume that's been turned off) 2558.0 MHz - T-Mobile LTE first carrier 2640.4 MHz - Sprint LTE first carrier 2660.2 MHz - Sprint LTE second carrier 2680.0 MHz - Sprint LTE third carrier My assumption, then, is that some portion of the remainder, if not all of it, is in use for 5G-NR on those sites. - Trip 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRUCEinGR Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 My guess, Verizon is having whatever is the opposite of "buyer's remorse". Maybe regretting that they decided to sit it out on the 600 MHz "Incentive Auction", that they laughed at T-mobile for bidding in. I'll drop a couple links below, no big breaking news in them, they are all many years old, but offer insight into how things were playing out years ago, like this: https://www.mobileworldlive.com/featured-content/home-banner/verizon-exec-takes-aim-at-t-mobile-over-600mhz-sale Of course, Verizon may have thought they could work some deals with Dish, until the T-Mobile/Sprint merger left Dish entwined so closely with New T-Mobile. https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/why-verizon-didn-t-buy-any-600-mhz-spectrum-and-what-it-means-for-big-red Ah, the taste of sour grapes. Maybe it seemed like fun to laugh at T-Mobile's 600 MHz idea's, until they saw it in action... https://www.rcrwireless.com/20130917/carriers/cca-fall-2013-t-mobile-us-looks-to-keep-pressure-on-with-un-carrier-strategy-courts-rural-partners ...and realized Neville Ray might be smarter than they thought. It might even be that those comparison 5G coverage maps already make Verizon look silly! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRUCEinGR Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Just something from my local TV news that might be of interest here. https://www.fox17online.com/news/local-news/kent/5g-internet-antennas-being-installed-in-east-gr-not-everyone-happy-about-it **** Ya know, you people are all wanting this 5G stuff, but if you took the time to learn about it, you would realize it causes Corona-Virus, which will lead Bill Gates to administer a vaccine right through your Windows 10 computer, that will indoctrinate you into a baby eating zombie cult. /sarcasm 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bennyjet29 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 https://www.pcmag.com/news/3-reasons-t-mobile-isnt-yet-dominating-5gThis helps explain why the merging of Sprint and T-Mobile networks is taking so long. [emoji2375]Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8nuguy Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 8/29/2020 at 12:05 PM, gr8nuguy said: Fremont, ne, where TMobile had 0 native coverage before. This is from my house, I'll drive later to confirm tower location Found location as above note wasn't right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clbowens Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 They added 5G back to the Sprint coverage map. It's basically T-Mobile's 5G. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
though Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 8 hours ago, gr8nuguy said: Found location as above note wasn't right Is it a secret? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr8nuguy Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 17 minutes ago, though said: Is it a secret? It's posted in the Premeir Nebraska thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAvirani Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Does anyone have experience removing ROAMAHOME from a line? My sister got moved over and the data experience has been absolutely horrendous so far... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewbertdc Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Some folks over in the T-Mobile subreddit are reporting that they can now connect to Sprint LTE if they force B41/B26 on their devices Reportedly forcing B25 in an area with both networks will just make their device camp on T-Mo’s native B2 (MFBI to B25), which makes sense. https://m.imgur.com/a/eE99oVH I have an iPhone, so can’t test this myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 I've had my T-Mobile phone locked on Band 41 for several days now, in order to track down T-Mobile Band 41. I've seen it show my home site in SCP, but always with No Service; presumably its final attempt to make a connection before giving up, and then the stale data lingers. I hope this is a sign they're planning to make both networks native to each other. Because there's really no reason not to, and I'm not sure why they would have gone through the trouble of changing a bunch of Sprint GCIs (most notably in Baltimore, from what I've observed first-hand, but I've seen it in other markets as well) to not conflict with T-Mobile ones if they weren't going to do that. - Trip 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewbertdc Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 58 minutes ago, Trip said: I've had my T-Mobile phone locked on Band 41 for several days now, in order to track down T-Mobile Band 41. I've seen it show my home site in SCP, but always with No Service; presumably its final attempt to make a connection before giving up, and then the stale data lingers. I hope this is a sign they're planning to make both networks native to each other. Because there's really no reason not to, and I'm not sure why they would have gone through the trouble of changing a bunch of Sprint GCIs (most notably in Baltimore, from what I've observed first-hand, but I've seen it in other markets as well) to not conflict with T-Mobile ones if they weren't going to do that. - Trip Their 2018-era FCC merger filings indicated that they were going to unify the RANs with MOCN as part of the transition, so hopefully that is still the plan. If the rumors of network integration being "complete" by the end of this month are true, we'll know soon enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmoses Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 i tested this morning, forced my phone to B25, B26, and B41 and it wouldn't connect to any of them. Hopefully they are working on merging networks and it comes to my area (central iowa) soon..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewbertdc Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 T-Mo just issued a press release touting its N41 deployment. Here's the list of cities/towns they've deployed to so far: California Citrus La Puente Los Angeles Paramount San Fernando Willowbrook District of Columbia Washington D.C. Florida Azalea Park Holiday Progress Village Westchase Georgia Atlanta Gainesville Mableton North Atlanta Winder Illinois Bellwood Calumet City Chicago Chicago Heights Glendale Heights Hanover Park Ingalls Park Northlake Indiana Merrillville Maryland Towson Massachusetts Holbrook Waltham Michigan Bangor Decatur Minnesota Maplewood Missouri Jennings New Jersey Camden Cliffside Park Fort Lee Hasbrouck Heights North Arlington Palisades Park Paterson Roselle Totowa New York Copiague East Williston Freeport Garden City Garden City Park Harbor Isle Hempstead Island Park Lindenhurst Long Beach Malverne Park Oaks Middle Island Mineola New York Plainview West Hempstead Williston Park North Carolina Clemmons Kernersville Pineville Stallings Statesville Winston-Salem Oregon Aloha Newberg Sherwood Pennsylvania Braddock Colwyn Darby East Lansdowne Kerrtown Meadville Philadelphia Rankin Yeadon Texas Dallas Houston Nassau Bay Virginia Bailey's Crossroads Bull Run Highland Springs Lake Barcroft Newport News Sudley Tysons Corner Washington Geneva Oak Harbor Snohomish https://www.t-mobile.com/news/network/5g-speeds-supercharged-for-millions-more-people 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Bull Run? Sudley? Hm, I was on 66 near there on Monday and only saw one site there on Band 41 LTE, closer to Centreville. Maybe they don't have as much spectrum there and aren't running Band 41 LTE? I was near, but not in, the Lake Barcroft/Bailey's area less than half an hour ago and definitely saw some neighbor cells on Band 41. I had a very faint connection to Band 41, probably from somewhere over there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javon23 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 22 hours ago, Bennyjet29 said: https://www.pcmag.com/news/3-reasons-t-mobile-isnt-yet-dominating-5g This helps explain why the merging of Sprint and T-Mobile networks is taking so long. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Maybe a dumb question I upgraded to the Note 20 Ultra assuming that the antennas would be tmobile. The phone still shows "Sprint by Tmobile". In the article it references million of Sprint customers needing to shift to T-Mobile 5G. Is the Note 20 Ultra future proof or am I still technically on Sprint's dying network and need to switch to a more compatible device in the near future? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javon23 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 On 8/20/2020 at 1:11 AM, javon23 said: So I received the Note 20 Ultra today, Haven't left my house today. There is 5g in my area. 5G icon with all bars shows up on my phone but I have no connection. On the Speedtest app it can't find a server. So I been using wifi instead. Update. All is well now. Just now from my home. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenbastard Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 4 hours ago, Trip said: I've had my T-Mobile phone locked on Band 41 for several days now, in order to track down T-Mobile Band 41. I've seen it show my home site in SCP, but always with No Service; presumably its final attempt to make a connection before giving up, and then the stale data lingers. - Trip My OP6t doesn't even scan for B41. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paynefanbro Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 5 hours ago, dewbertdc said: Some folks over in the T-Mobile subreddit are reporting that they can now connect to Sprint LTE if they force B41/B26 on their devices Reportedly forcing B25 in an area with both networks will just make their device camp on T-Mo’s native B2 (MFBI to B25), which makes sense. https://m.imgur.com/a/eE99oVH I have an iPhone, so can’t test this myself. I can confirm that I'm able to connect to Sprint Band 41 and Band 26 by forcing those bands. However, because I'm using an unlocked Android phone T-Mobile won't allow me to use domestic roaming data. I can only make calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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