dro1984 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) Dish trying to pull strings to influence at FCC and DOJ meeting during past week. (Yahoo News/Reuters) So Charley is crying and kicking to FCC and "Certain members of the DOJ" cause now he says Dish can't build out their spectrum because of the Sprint and T Mobile merger. WTF? Charley says there needs to be 4 players in the cellular market. Why? Is Sprint and T mobile strong arming him? This is new levels of preposterous! Why don't they throw this clown out on his ears! Again, from Market Watch: Dish Network discusses opposition to Sprint-T-Mobile U.S. merger, according to FCC file Where's that damn bucket of popcorn!!?? Edited June 14, 2019 by dro1984 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsnake49 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 30 minutes ago, dro1984 said: Dish trying to pull strings to influence at FCC and DOJ meeting during past week. (Yahoo News/Reuters) So Charley is crying and kicking to FCC and "Certain members of the DOJ" cause now he says Dish can't build out their spectrum because of the Sprint and T Mobile merger. WTF? Charley says there needs to be 4 players in the cellular market. Why? Is Sprint and T mobile strong arming him? This is new levels of preposterous! Why don't they throw this clown out on his ears! Again, from Market Watch: Dish Network discusses opposition to Sprint-T-Mobile U.S. merger, according to FCC file Where's that damn bucket of popcorn!!?? No they are not strong arming him but he will probably lose a potential customer for his spectrum in T-Mobile if it merges with Sprint. He has absolutely no intention to deploy a nationwide network and he is just a spectrum speculator. I blame the FCC in allowing him to amass spectrum that he has no intention deploying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 yep me to about blane the fcc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dro1984 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 So why is he interjecting on the meeting with Ajit Pai and Makan Delrahim for. Sounds fishy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkyeager Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 4 hours ago, bigsnake49 said: Good, get it over with quickly. Quick and legal proceedings generally don't go together. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paynefanbro Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 hours ago, dro1984 said: Dish trying to pull strings to influence at FCC and DOJ meeting during past week. (Yahoo News/Reuters) So Charley is crying and kicking to FCC and "Certain members of the DOJ" cause now he says Dish can't build out their spectrum because of the Sprint and T Mobile merger. WTF? Charley says there needs to be 4 players in the cellular market. Dish Network discusses opposition to Sprint-T-Mobile U.S. merger, according to FCC file Where's that damn bucket of popcorn!!?? Two potential reasons that I can think of for Dish to be against this. 1. If Sprint and T-Mobile merge, then that's one less carrier that's gonna need Dish's spectrum down the line. Instead of it being T-Mobile, Verizon, and AT&T who will need mid-band spectrum, it'll only be Verizon and AT&T. 2. Dish is probably hoping that they can swoop in and pick up Sprint for a decent price if the deal gets shut down so that they can acquire the customers and spectrum and work from there. But I think they'd be facing stiff competition from Cable Co's with deep pockets like Comcast and Charter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tengen31 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Two potential reasons that I can think of for Dish to be against this. 1. If Sprint and T-Mobile merge, then that's one less carrier that's gonna need Dish's spectrum down the line. Instead of it being T-Mobile, Verizon, and AT&T who will need mid-band spectrum, it'll only be Verizon and AT&T. 2. Dish is probably hoping that they can swoop in and pick up Sprint for a decent price if the deal gets shut down so that they can acquire the customers and spectrum and work from there. But I think they'd be facing stiff competition from Cable Co's with deep pockets like Comcast and Charter.I don't why Dish is a bad thing if merger doesn't happen?Sent from my SM-G965U1 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsnake49 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Tengen31 said: I don't why Dish is a bad thing if merger doesn't happen? Sent from my SM-G965U1 using Tapatalk They don't have any money. They spent it all on spectrum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsnake49 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 3 hours ago, dkyeager said: Quick and legal proceedings generally don't go together. They do if the states don't have legal standing to sue in federal court which in this case they don't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyroned3222 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Well looks like dish has money somewhere after allhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/in-sprint-t-mobile-merger-talks-power-shifts-to-a-familiar-agitator-11560544163?redirect=ampSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad The Beast Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 minute ago, tyroned3222 said: Well looks like dish has money somewhere after allhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/in-sprint-t-mobile-merger-talks-power-shifts-to-a-familiar-agitator-11560544163?redirect=amp Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk They just want to hoard more spectrum. They should make an unrelated concession that Dish must give up all spectrum assets if the merger falls through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyroned3222 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 They just want to hoard more spectrum. They should make an unrelated concession that Dish must give up all spectrum assets if the merger falls through. They can’t this time: The FCC/DOJ would put crazy requirements on this one and big fines.. dish would be the 4th player Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsnake49 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, tyroned3222 said: Well looks like dish has money somewhere after allhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/in-sprint-t-mobile-merger-talks-power-shifts-to-a-familiar-agitator-11560544163?redirect=amp Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk As long as they also buy Sprint's network assets and not just the spectrum and the prepaid subscribers. Dish does not need more spectrum. They need a network. Or have their spectrum hosted by the New T-Mobile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsnake49 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Do any of the experts around here how much of the Sprint network assets will be reusable by another carrier, eg the mythical 4th player, let's call them Dish? 1. EPC 2. eNodeB 3. RRH 4. Routers 5. Back-end infrastructure (customer facing and internal business servers) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAvirani Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 3 hours ago, bigsnake49 said: Do any of the experts around here how much of the Sprint network assets will be reusable by another carrier, eg the mythical 4th player, let's call them Dish? 1. EPC 2. eNodeB 3. RRH 4. Routers 5. Back-end infrastructure (customer facing and internal business servers) 2/3/4 definitely. 1 is questionable. 5 would likely have to be redone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyroned3222 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 More sources are coming forth. It seems that the deal could still fall apart, as the concession may be borderline extreme(imo). It depends at what cost they are willing to make this merger happen The concession package looks to consist of:Post paid subscribersBoost prepaid Spectrum: more than likely band 41Price guarantees favorable mvno agreementsCoverage expansion into rural And mandate dates To me that’s extreme !!! What do you guys think https://twitter.com/cgasparino/status/1140301534825209856?s=21 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belusnecropolis Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 25 minutes ago, tyroned3222 said: More sources are coming forth. It seems that the deal could still fall apart, as the concession may be borderline extreme(imo). It depends at what cost they are willing to make this merger happen The concession package looks to consist of: Post paid subscribers Boost prepaid Spectrum: more than likely band 41 Price guarantees favorable mvno agreements Coverage expansion into rural And mandate dates To me that’s extreme !!! What do you guys think https://twitter.com/cgasparino/status/1140301534825209856?s=21 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I find it personally enjoyable to watch them pile on concessions for once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrwinshereAgain Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 It almost looks like an attempt to weaken the combined company to prevent any real competition for V and ATT. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tengen31 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 It almost looks like an attempt to weaken the combined company to prevent any real competition for V and ATT.Which is crapSent from my SM-G965U1 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrwinshereAgain Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 22 minutes ago, Tengen31 said: Which is crap Sent from my SM-G965U1 using Tapatalk You may be right. I just thought that the New TMobile would still have less customers, less towers, less low band, less backhaul and less available cash. If true, then wouldn't that translates into a higher cost of business per unit of income, already? Just asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad The Beast Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 2 hours ago, tyroned3222 said: More sources are coming forth. It seems that the deal could still fall apart, as the concession may be borderline extreme(imo). It depends at what cost they are willing to make this merger happen The concession package looks to consist of: Post paid subscribers Boost prepaid Spectrum: more than likely band 41 Price guarantees favorable mvno agreements Coverage expansion into rural And mandate dates Making them give up any band 41 spectrum just completely defeats the purpose of the merger. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThorson Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 1 hour ago, IrwinshereAgain said: It almost looks like an attempt to weaken the combined company to prevent any real competition for V and ATT. I was thinking the same thing. For Sprint and T-Mobile to combine, they need to become a weaker 3rd player which in turns defeats the purpose of this entire merger. If the government wants the US to be a leader in 5G then they shouldn't need to divest any spectrum. The government either doesn't see it that way or they don't care. Sometimes I would really like to slap some sense into certain people. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kct1975 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 It almost looks like an attempt to weaken the combined company to prevent any real competition for V and ATT.I absolutely agree! [emoji106] I was thinking the same thing. For Sprint and T-Mobile to combine, they need to become a weaker 3rd player which in turns defeats the purpose of this entire merger. If the government wants the US to be a leader in 5G then they shouldn't need to divest any spectrum. The government either doesn't see it that way or they don't care. Sometimes I would really like to slap some sense into certain people.My personal opinion...Verizon and AT&T have a lot of sway with the politicians. Both Verizon and AT&T have a ton of money [emoji385] and both most likely make large campaign donations. Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsnake49 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 If I am Sprint/T-Mobile I will take my chances in the courts. All these concessions defeat the purpose of the merger. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsnake49 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 I usually don't like Moffett but he's right this time about surrendering so much to get a deal done: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dishs-rumored-interest-in-purchasing-t-mobilesprint-assets-isnt-sensible-for-anyone-involved-says-analyst-2019-06-17?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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