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yes, it only support 2x2 currently(only have 2 antenna port)
 
Thought so. I'm excited for 4x4 modems to come out. When the providers actually implement Rank 4, it basically doubles throughput. Sprint has 4x4 on sites, but at least in Samsung markets, only does Rank 1 or 2, so there's no speed bump (just a more robust signal). I don't know off hand if AT&T or Verizon do Rank 3/4 yet, but I know T-Mobile does.

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T-Mobile on 4x4 is great. Unfortunately my card only does 4x4 on the first component carrier. When they update for multi channel 4x4 is when it gets exciting.

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Thought so. I'm excited for 4x4 modems to come out. When the providers actually implement Rank 4, it basically doubles throughput. Sprint has 4x4 on sites, but at least in Samsung markets, only does Rank 1 or 2, so there's no speed bump (just a more robust signal). I don't know off hand if AT&T or Verizon do Rank 3/4 yet, but I know T-Mobile does.

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T-Mobile on 4x4 is great. Unfortunately my card only does 4x4 on the first component carrier. When they update for multi channel 4x4 is when it gets exciting.
 
How do you have your antennas oriented relative to one another? I'm assuming you have 4 antennas?

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2 dual port stacked on a pole.

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How do you have your antennas oriented relative to one another? I'm assuming you have 4 antennas?

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Went all in on this new dual sim router built for failover. I am having quite the time getting all these radios to behave! Nice to be able to install an mPCIe WiFi card since all mediatek embedded radios are trash. Even this repurposed laptop WiFi card I installed does better.

Currently hosting an LM960 and an EM7565. The custom port I needed to make in goldenorb for the LM960 do not play nice with the EM7565. I am going to get some Telit support baked in and then I should be good to go. The Telit card is still on version 1 firmware and no connection issues. The EM7565 . . . I have to perform reanimation on every time it needs an update. Telit card is just shooting 3's from half court now.

The router has a small physical switch to manipulate which sim you want. I am going to put this in a box on the roof, I wonder how I could automate that switch? It would probably be better to just enjoy the stability this build offers with one radio and a 5GHz wifi card for outdoors, but I probably can't just do that.

 

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PSA: Telits mailer is compromised. If you received an invoice from them it is full of spam, do not open.

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Picked up an edge router finally. Gonna go for the Tri-WAN balancing.

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Ingenium pointed me to this thread.  I just finished configuring my 4-headed system for the Sprint network using the new Sprint Inseego/Novatel MiFi8000.  Attached is a photo showing the configuration.

 

Router:  qty=1:  Pepwave MAX-OTG-U4 (Max On-The-Go with FOUR active USB ports).  Note that the "MAX-OTG" and "MAX-OTG-U1" just have 1 active port.  The MAX-OTG-U4 Supports 4 USB WAN ports, 1 ethernet LAN port, 1 ethernet WAN port, and WiFi connections.  Bought from 5Gstore.com

Modem:  qty=4: Sprint Inseego/Novatel MiFi8000 (a sister unit of the Verizon MiFi8800L).  The MiFi8000 supports Sprint's bands (e.g.  Band 41, etc.). Sprint has a sale right now.  $2.50 per month for 24 months (i.e.  $60).  Bought directly from Sprint. Arrived with everything configured -- plug and play.  No dinking around with SIM cards that don't fit,  aren't the right format, or aren't recognized.

Antennas: qty=4: Netgear AirCard MIMO Antenna. Bought from Amazon (B00DN3J03O). Quite frankly, the only reason why I got this was because it had the dual TS9 connectors and the cable is 50cm long.  I previously tried some TS9 to SMA adapters, but wasn't happy with how that worked.

 

Since I was paying $240/month for Sprint's old 120GB per month grandfathered plan, the plan for these 400GB is 4*$65 = $260/month.  Yes, it is horribly expensive, but I live out in the country and have had continual problems since Sprint bought Clear and disassembled WiMax.  Waiting for Verizon, waiting for SpaceX's satellite cluster. waiting for the continuous promises of fixed wireless, etc.  and I'm tired of continually jumping through hoops.  These companies could make a killing here in the country if they would just try...  And I'm not in the "country"; I'm 2 miles outside of city limits.  Even the pizza delivery people come out to me.  But no cable, and DSL tops out at 3Mbps here.  So I'm stuck with wireless.

 

Pros:

  • The Pepwave MAX-OTG-U4 works fine with the MiFi8000.  Even though the MiFi8000 isn't in Pepwave's compatibility list, it was just plug-and-go for me.
  • Speeds for a single MiFi8000 are 20 Mbps using a modest flat panel antenna.  I'm not getting dramatically more signal-strength bars than without, but it does allow me to stuff the units in a drawer and stack the units up willy-nilly.  The antennas will mount on a wall with a picture in front of them.
  • The USB cable from the MAX-OTG-U4 powers the MiFi8000 units.  It doesn't have any problems driving all 4 of them.
  • The MiFi8000 has TS9 connectors.  I would have preferred SMA, but the TS9's seem to work OK with this flat panel.

 

Cons:

  • The battery has to stay in even though the MiFi8000 is on the USB cable.  If I take the battery out, it complains then shuts down.  Since it is going to be powered 24.7, this is probably going to eat the batteries and these unused batteries will need to be replaced periodically...

Thanks,

Scott

 

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On 9/7/2019 at 11:14 PM, 645824 said:

Ingenium pointed me to this thread.  I just finished configuring my 4-headed system for the Sprint network using the new Sprint Inseego/Novatel MiFi8000.  Attached is a photo showing the configuration.

 

Router:  qty=1:  Pepwave MAX-OTG-U4 (Max On-The-Go with FOUR active USB ports).  Note that the "MAX-OTG" and "MAX-OTG-U1" just have 1 active port.  The MAX-OTG-U4 Supports 4 USB WAN ports, 1 ethernet LAN port, 1 ethernet WAN port, and WiFi connections.  Bought from 5Gstore.com

Modem:  qty=4: Sprint Inseego/Novatel MiFi8000 (a sister unit of the Verizon MiFi8800L).  The MiFi8000 supports Sprint's bands (e.g.  Band 41, etc.). Sprint has a sale right now.  $2.50 per month for 24 months (i.e.  $60).  Bought directly from Sprint. Arrived with everything configured -- plug and play.  No dinking around with SIM cards that don't fit,  aren't the right format, or aren't recognized.

Antennas: qty=4: Netgear AirCard MIMO Antenna. Bought from Amazon (B00DN3J03O). Quite frankly, the only reason why I got this was because it had the dual TS9 connectors and the cable is 50cm long.  I previously tried some TS9 to SMA adapters, but wasn't happy with how that worked.

 

Since I was paying $240/month for Sprint's old 120GB per month grandfathered plan, the plan for these 400GB is 4*$65 = $260/month.  Yes, it is horribly expensive, but I live out in the country and have had continual problems since Sprint bought Clear and disassembled WiMax.  Waiting for Verizon, waiting for SpaceX's satellite cluster. waiting for the continuous promises of fixed wireless, etc.  and I'm tired of continually jumping through hoops.  These companies could make a killing here in the country if they would just try...  And I'm not in the "country"; I'm 2 miles outside of city limits.  Even the pizza delivery people come out to me.  But no cable, and DSL tops out at 3Mbps here.  So I'm stuck with wireless.

 

Pros:

  • The Pepwave MAX-OTG-U4 works fine with the MiFi8000.  Even though the MiFi8000 isn't in Pepwave's compatibility list, it was just plug-and-go for me.
  • Speeds for a single MiFi8000 are 20 Mbps using a modest flat panel antenna.  I'm not getting dramatically more signal-strength bars than without, but it does allow me to stuff the units in a drawer and stack the units up willy-nilly.  The antennas will mount on a wall with a picture in front of them.
  • The USB cable from the MAX-OTG-U4 powers the MiFi8000 units.  It doesn't have any problems driving all 4 of them.
  • The MiFi8000 has TS9 connectors.  I would have preferred SMA, but the TS9's seem to work OK with this flat panel.

 

Cons:

  • The battery has to stay in even though the MiFi8000 is on the USB cable.  If I take the battery out, it complains then shuts down.  Since it is going to be powered 24.7, this is probably going to eat the batteries and these unused batteries will need to be replaced periodically...

Thanks,

Scott

 

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I have an AT&T UDP, a couple Tmo UDP's and had a Sprint UDP. This seems really expansive for one carrier. I hope you get what you need.

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12 hours ago, belusnecropolis said:

I have an AT&T UDP, a couple Tmo UDP's and had a Sprint UDP before I woke up. This seems really expansive for one carrier. I hope you get what you need.

 

On 9/7/2019 at 11:14 PM, 645824 said:

Ingenium pointed me to this thread.  I just finished configuring my 4-headed system for the Sprint network using the new Sprint Inseego/Novatel MiFi8000.  Attached is a photo showing the configuration.

 

Router:  qty=1:  Pepwave MAX-OTG-U4 (Max On-The-Go with FOUR active USB ports).  Note that the "MAX-OTG" and "MAX-OTG-U1" just have 1 active port.  The MAX-OTG-U4 Supports 4 USB WAN ports, 1 ethernet LAN port, 1 ethernet WAN port, and WiFi connections.  Bought from 5Gstore.com

Modem:  qty=4: Sprint Inseego/Novatel MiFi8000 (a sister unit of the Verizon MiFi8800L).  The MiFi8000 supports Sprint's bands (e.g.  Band 41, etc.). Sprint has a sale right now.  $2.50 per month for 24 months (i.e.  $60).  Bought directly from Sprint. Arrived with everything configured -- plug and play.  No dinking around with SIM cards that don't fit,  aren't the right format, or aren't recognized.

Antennas: qty=4: Netgear AirCard MIMO Antenna. Bought from Amazon (B00DN3J03O). Quite frankly, the only reason why I got this was because it had the dual TS9 connectors and the cable is 50cm long.  I previously tried some TS9 to SMA adapters, but wasn't happy with how that worked.

 

Since I was paying $240/month for Sprint's old 120GB per month grandfathered plan, the plan for these 400GB is 4*$65 = $260/month.  Yes, it is horribly expensive, but I live out in the country and have had continual problems since Sprint bought Clear and disassembled WiMax.  Waiting for Verizon, waiting for SpaceX's satellite cluster. waiting for the continuous promises of fixed wireless, etc.  and I'm tired of continually jumping through hoops.  These companies could make a killing here in the country if they would just try...  And I'm not in the "country"; I'm 2 miles outside of city limits.  Even the pizza delivery people come out to me.  But no cable, and DSL tops out at 3Mbps here.  So I'm stuck with wireless.

 

Pros:

  • The Pepwave MAX-OTG-U4 works fine with the MiFi8000.  Even though the MiFi8000 isn't in Pepwave's compatibility list, it was just plug-and-go for me.
  • Speeds for a single MiFi8000 are 20 Mbps using a modest flat panel antenna.  I'm not getting dramatically more signal-strength bars than without, but it does allow me to stuff the units in a drawer and stack the units up willy-nilly.  The antennas will mount on a wall with a picture in front of them.
  • The USB cable from the MAX-OTG-U4 powers the MiFi8000 units.  It doesn't have any problems driving all 4 of them.
  • The MiFi8000 has TS9 connectors.  I would have preferred SMA, but the TS9's seem to work OK with this flat panel.

 

Cons:

  • The battery has to stay in even though the MiFi8000 is on the USB cable.  If I take the battery out, it complains then shuts down.  Since it is going to be powered 24.7, this is probably going to eat the batteries and these unused batteries will need to be replaced periodically...

Thanks,

Scott

 

unit.jpg

I mean, do you do one channel per or just suction per plan via load balance? You could fake poor and get PC's for people at 10 bucks a month. Buy a Calyx sim, get an connected car ATT plan, a Verizon pUDP/FUDP, a 15/ month Kickstart plan, or any T-Mo UDP and adjust your TTL settings and achieve what you want. The hoops you mention are not that tough and no one has suffered an extreme loss that I know of and I was the first to call and say hey, xfer my calyx from this crappy battery hotspot to my netgear 6100D at the time, AND IT WORKED.

Listen, the rules do not apply. You can get guilt tripped all day about being a data abuser, you still need internet. Many are city dwellers that like to shit on anyone that doesn't subscribe to the idea of paying 150 a month for a cable drop. They literally hate people that don't live like they do, see any post about expanding rural coverage and you will be met with but we are the money. I appreciate your need and expound the great agility you took with no strings attached but you are going to eat it in fees and modem/battery replacement. 5G store sells stuff at a MAXXX premium. 

You are a smart guy, I hated the hassle too so I said adios Sprint. I can contribute and still know they are a garbage choice in my area.  

This is an awesome set of hardware. You have made a great setup that is futureproof and will handle other, more accommodating plans. 

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13 hours ago, belusnecropolis said:

I mean, do you do one channel per or just suction per plan via load balance? You could fake poor and get PC's for people at 10 bucks a month. Buy a Calyx sim, get an connected car ATT plan, a Verizon pUDP/FUDP, a 15/ month Kickstart plan, or any T-Mo UDP and adjust your TTL settings and achieve what you want. The hoops you mention are not that tough and no one has suffered an extreme loss that I know of and I was the first to call and say hey, xfer my calyx from this crappy battery hotspot to my netgear 6100D at the time, AND IT WORKED.

Listen, the rules do not apply. You can get guilt tripped all day about being a data abuser, you still need internet. Many are city dwellers that like to shit on anyone that doesn't subscribe to the idea of paying 150 a month for a cable drop. They literally hate people that don't live like they do, see any post about expanding rural coverage and you will be met with but we are the money. I appreciate your need and expound the great agility you took with no strings attached but you are going to eat it in fees and modem/battery replacement. 5G store sells stuff at a MAXXX premium. 

You are a smart guy, I hated the hassle too so I said adios Sprint. I can contribute and still know they are a garbage choice in my area.  

This is an awesome set of hardware. You have made a great setup that is futureproof and will handle other, more accommodating plans. 

I am using qty=4 of the 100 GB/month plans.  Each MiFi8000 has an individual plan and an individual phone number at $65 each, that comes to $260.  So it is a tad more expensive than my existing $240/month for 120 GB.  

My four MiFi8000 units are load-balanced by the MAX-OTG-U4.  So it distributes the load among the four and also (might) make things more reliable.  I've been watching the load graphs over the weekend and the MAX-OTG-U4 is doing what it is supposed to.

Although there are other features in it (speed aggregation, etc.) I didn't activate any of those features.  Quite frankly, 20 Mbps is fine for what I need.  I just need a good download speed for video streaming (there's no cable where I am), and a reasonable upload speed for the plethora of security cameras that I have.

 

I share your frustration.  In my area, there is no cable, DSL is 3 Mbps, Verizon throttles and severely limits, Tmobile limits, and AT&T coverage is spotty.  So I'm stuck with Sprint until something better comes along.  I'm just lucky that I am  "only"  3 miles away from the Sprint tower.

I've seen reports that Sprint is starting to throttle Calyx accounts also -- seems they wised up. At this point, I have eliminated finger-pointing; for any problem it is Sprint's fault since it is their contract, their tower, and their branded hardware.  Ever since my Clear (WiMax) was eliminated it has been a continual mish-mash and has been a continual headache.

I can take a headache; but when my wife or sons constantly say  "Daddy, fix the Internet"  it really digs...

As soon as something comes along that is reliable and cheaper, I'll jump.  Living in the "country" means that I'm not on any company's front-burner.  So right now I have internet, it works, and speeds are reasonable; but yes, it is horribly expensive.  So I can bide my time waiting for SpaceX's satellite-based system that should work BETTER in the country since there is less multi-path interference and clutter.

 

For those gentle readers who are confused, note that I'm paying $260/month for 400GB/month unthrottled.  So any hardware costs are ignorable...  When forced to abandon Clear's WiMax several years ago, then I had cycled through 3 passive 18dBi 6-foot long 2.5 GHz Yagi high-gain antennas, a Netgear modem, several routers, two Cradlepoint COR-IBR900's, one Cradlepoint COR-IBR1700, and a dozen SIM cards.  At that point, enough was enough.

Thanks,

Scott

 

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I am using qty=4 of the 100 GB/month plans.  Each MiFi8000 has an individual plan and an individual phone number at $65 each, that comes to $260.  So it is a tad more expensive than my existing $240/month for 120 GB.  
My four MiFi8000 units are load-balanced by the MAX-OTG-U4.  So it distributes the load among the four and also (might) make things more reliable.  I've been watching the load graphs over the weekend and the MAX-OTG-U4 is doing what it is supposed to.
Although there are other features in it (speed aggregation, etc.) I didn't activate any of those features.  Quite frankly, 20 Mbps is fine for what I need.  I just need a good download speed for video streaming (there's no cable where I am), and a reasonable upload speed for the plethora of security cameras that I have.
 
I share your frustration.  In my area, there is no cable, DSL is 3 Mbps, Verizon throttles and severely limits, Tmobile limits, and AT&T coverage is spotty.  So I'm stuck with Sprint until something better comes along.  I'm just lucky that I am  "only"  3 miles away from the Sprint tower.
I've seen reports that Sprint is starting to throttle Calyx accounts also -- seems they wised up. At this point, I have eliminated finger-pointing; for any problem it is Sprint's fault since it is their contract, their tower, and their branded hardware.  Ever since my Clear (WiMax) was eliminated it has been a continual mish-mash and has been a continual headache.
I can take a headache; but when my wife or sons constantly say  "Daddy, fix the Internet"  it really digs...
As soon as something comes along that is reliable and cheaper, I'll jump.  Living in the "country" means that I'm not on any company's front-burner.  So right now I have internet, it works, and speeds are reasonable; but yes, it is horribly expensive.  So I can bide my time waiting for SpaceX's satellite-based system that should work BETTER in the country since there is less multi-path interference and clutter.
 
For those gentle readers who are confused, note that I'm paying $260/month for 400GB/month unthrottled.  So any hardware costs are ignorable...  When forced to abandon Clear's WiMax several years ago, then I had cycled through 3 passive 18dBi 6-foot long 2.5 GHz Yagi high-gain antennas, a Netgear modem, several routers, two Cradlepoint COR-IBR900's, one Cradlepoint COR-IBR1700, and a dozen SIM cards.  At that point, enough was enough.
Thanks,
Scott
 
Did you try Calyx? That was one person reporting potential throttling (I was one of the commenters on the post) over a year ago, and I was still unthrottled when I last used Calyx a few months ago. I suspect his site just got congested (which happened on my site as well. Verified with my Sprint phone getting the same performance).

Calyx is coded as a "Spectrum Mobile Broadband 30GB" plan, which should not be throttled or deprioritized. It is a metered plan just like the one you're on now. It incurs overages after 30GB (expensive on paper, like $20 or $30/GB) in theory, but Calyx / Mobile Citizen have basically an unlimited bucket that these overages come from.@lilotimz can explain it better, but basically Sprint doesn't charge them for the overages. Sprint would need to re-code the plan I believe to throttle it, since the Spectrum Mobile Broadband plan is not throttled since it charges for overages.

Even if it did start getting deprioritized, if you can get a Magic Box and have it get a usable signal, it should bypass deprioritization. The deprioritization is done on a per eNB basis. Since you will be the only person on the MB eNB, it will be seen as uncongested and not deprioritized. In theory the MB is actually prioritized over other devices on the macro / donor.

If your setup is working for you and you're happy with it, that's fantastic and is what really matters. But there may be ways to save you a substantial amount of money for basically the same service (that is less complex), which is why we're suggesting them.

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23 hours ago, ingenium said:

Did you try Calyx? That was one person reporting potential throttling (I was one of the commenters on the post) over a year ago, and I was still unthrottled when I last used Calyx a few months ago. I suspect his site just got congested (which happened on my site as well. Verified with my Sprint phone getting the same performance).

Calyx is coded as a "Spectrum Mobile Broadband 30GB" plan, which should not be throttled or deprioritized. It is a metered plan just like the one you're on now. It incurs overages after 30GB (expensive on paper, like $20 or $30/GB) in theory, but Calyx / Mobile Citizen have basically an unlimited bucket that these overages come from.@lilotimz can explain it better, but basically Sprint doesn't charge them for the overages. Sprint would need to re-code the plan I believe to throttle it, since the Spectrum Mobile Broadband plan is not throttled since it charges for overages.

Even if it did start getting deprioritized, if you can get a Magic Box and have it get a usable signal, it should bypass deprioritization. The deprioritization is done on a per eNB basis. Since you will be the only person on the MB eNB, it will be seen as uncongested and not deprioritized. In theory the MB is actually prioritized over other devices on the macro / donor.

If your setup is working for you and you're happy with it, that's fantastic and is what really matters. But there may be ways to save you a substantial amount of money for basically the same service (that is less complex), which is why we're suggesting them.

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Nope, didn't try Calyx.  I'm burned out by all of the multi-step hoop jumping that I've gone through over the past several years.

I don't want to open the door to Calyx + Magic Box + Mobile Citizen + ...      At this point, I have a solution and it seems to be working.  It is horribly expensive but it is fast and reliable (and those are taking priority for my household right now).  A happy wife and happy children supersedes other issues.

Thanks for the pointers,

Scott

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46 minutes ago, 645824 said:

Nope, didn't try Calyx.  I'm burned out by all of the multi-step hoop jumping that I've gone through over the past several years.

I don't want to open the door to Calyx + Magic Box + Mobile Citizen + ...      At this point, I have a solution and it seems to be working.  It is horribly expensive but it is fast and reliable (and those are taking priority for my household right now).  A happy wife and happy children supersedes other issues.

Thanks for the pointers,

Scott

I have a 800 dollar jalopy spread all over my radio room. No complaints about how it looks as long as Netflix streams crisp and clear. 

I identify with your statement.

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