T-Mobile LTE & Network Discussion V2

[WiWavelength]

On Twitter, T-Mobile claims to have won the All-Star Game data speed wars...

 

T-Mobile ‏@TMobile  Jul 21

We smashed it when it came to having the fastest data at All-Star Week. We have footage to prove it. #SwingDataData

 

https://twitter.com/TMobile/status/623543294430089216

 

If statistically true, T-Mobile must have driven a whole herd of COWs to its spectrum pathetic Cincinnati market.

 

Do note, however, the embedded video clip included no comparison to Sprint, just VZW and AT&T (or Cricket).

 

AJ

[Houston_Texas]

T-Mobile is launching RCS with the Galaxy Grand Prime and later the S5/S6 via a software update

 

http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news/advanced-messaging.htm

Look forward to sending larger pictures and other files. 10mb is pretty sweet

 

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[mnjeepmale]

T-Mobile is launching RCS with the Galaxy Grand Prime and later the S5/S6 via a software update

 

http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news/advanced-messaging.htm

 

I see no difference between this and Whatsapp.

[EvanA]

On Twitter, T-Mobile claims to have won the All-Star Game data speed wars...

 

 

https://twitter.com/TMobile/status/623543294430089216

 

If statistically true, T-Mobile must have driven a whole herd of COWs to its spectrum pathetic Cincinnati market.

 

Do note, however, the embedded video clip included no comparison to Sprint, just VZW and AT&T (or Cricket).

 

AJ

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Depicts actual results in Cincinatti. Typical T-Mobile speeds 4.3 - 20.1 Mbps; AT&T/Cricket 4 - 17.8 Mbps; Sprint 4.2 - 18.2 Mbps; Verizon 3.1 - 17.8 Mbps

Hardly a massive victory by any means. All carriers have a DAS at GABP, and there were probably many COWs for each carrier. Also, since testing locations were set up by T-Mobile employees, you have to wonder if they set them in locations where T-Mobile would perform the best....

 

Another note on RCS, Sprint actually implemented RCS based communications with "Messaging Plus" in 2013. This was based on RCS release 5.1. It was abandoned since then, as the most recent phone to support it is the iPhone 5.

 

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprint-goes-ott-messaging-plus-app-jibe/2013-10-14

 

http://newsroom.sprint.com/news-releases/messaging-plus-makes-it-easier-than-ever-for-sprint-customers-to-connect-and-share-with-friends-and-family-on-any-carrier.htm

 

https://shop.sprint.com/mysprint/services_solutions/details.jsp?detId=messaging_plus&catId=service_communication&catName=Communication&detName=Messaging%20Plus&specialCat=#!/

[Houston_Texas]

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Hardly a massive victory by any means. All carriers have a DAS at GABP, and there were probably many COWs for each carrier. Also, since testing locations were set up by T-Mobile employees, you have to wonder if they set them in locations where T-Mobile would perform the best....

 

Another note on RCS, Sprint actually implemented RCS based communications with "Messaging Plus" in 2013. This was based on RCS release 5.1. It was abandoned since then, as the most recent phone to support it is the iPhone 5.

 

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprint-goes-ott-messaging-plus-app-jibe/2013-10-14

 

http://newsroom.sprint.com/news-releases/messaging-plus-makes-it-easier-than-ever-for-sprint-customers-to-connect-and-share-with-friends-and-family-on-any-carrier.htm

 

https://shop.sprint.com/mysprint/services_solutions/details.jsp?detId=messaging_plus&catId=service_communication&catName=Communication&detName=Messaging%20Plus&specialCat=#!/

Why was it abandoned?

 

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[EvanA]

Why was it abandoned?

 

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Probably didn't see much adoption from consumers.

[derrph]

T-Mobile barely won that one. Sprint was right up on their back literally.

 

 

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[EvanA]

T-Mobile barely won that one. Sprint was right up on their back literally.

 

 

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All carriers were just about even... maybe even within a margin of error.

[derrph]

Pretty much. The difference in speed was not even noticeable. But due to it being T-Mobile...well you know the rest

 

 

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[joshuam]

I see no difference between this and Whatsapp.

Don't want to tell people to download an app just to send a full resolution picture. This will be great once all carriers support it. Delivery receipt alone is a huge benefit of it, in my opinion .

[Houston_Texas]

Don't want to tell people to download an app just to send a full resolution picture. This will be great once all carriers support it. Delivery receipt alone is a huge benefit of it, in my opinion .

Exactly!

 

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[joshuam]

On Twitter, T-Mobile claims to have won the All-Star Game data speed wars...

 

 

https://twitter.com/TMobile/status/623543294430089216

 

If statistically true, T-Mobile must have driven a whole herd of COWs to its spectrum pathetic Cincinnati market.

 

Do note, however, the embedded video clip included no comparison to Sprint, just VZW and AT&T (or Cricket).

 

AJ

 

There is this one where Verizon was awful and Sprint had no service. Was T-Mobile running a blocking device? Lol

[bigsnake49]

RCS Is an attempt by the carriers to fight back against the OTT players such as iMessage, Whatsapp, Viber, etc. The horse has already left the barn however .

[EvanA]

 

There is this one where Verizon was awful and Sprint had no service. Was T-Mobile running a blocking device? Lol

Like I said...

 

Since testing locations were set up by T-Mobile employees, you have to wonder if they set them in locations where T-Mobile would perform the best....

Really makes me wonder if they set up a microcell in that area just for speedtest purposes...  That was there official sponsor showcase area after all.

[Paynefanbro]

It's funny though because T-Mobile had something like this set up at Fenway Park in Boston around this time last year. I walked up to them knowing that they'd be trying to sell service to me. I also knew that Sprint had Band 41 in the area capable and I had speeds of 60 Mbps. They didn't ask me to run a speed test (I WONDER WHY)!

[Houston_Texas]

RCS Is an attempt by the carriers to fight back against the OTT players such as iMessage, Whatsapp, Viber, etc. The horse has already left the barn however .

Please elaborate.

 

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[luvixuha]

Maybe it's just me, but

 

 

 

I don't like nor want that feature. Seems a little intrusive if you ask me. One of the reasons I HATED Apple's messaging service.

 

You can enable and disable the typing indicators and outgoing read reciepts: http://s4.postimg.org/qyghfu87h/Screenshot_2015_07_22_11_15_41.png

 

When I saw that I immediately said no thanks. I'm perfectly fine without that.

 

Cool, cool. Well, you can disable the rich communications parts you don't like. They're not mandatory.

 

More screenshots: http://imgur.com/a/TQyr8

[Fraydog]

On Twitter, T-Mobile claims to have won the All-Star Game data speed wars...

 

 

https://twitter.com/TMobile/status/623543294430089216

 

If statistically true, T-Mobile must have driven a whole herd of COWs to its spectrum pathetic Cincinnati market.

 

Do note, however, the embedded video clip included no comparison to Sprint, just VZW and AT&T (or Cricket).

 

AJ

The irony isn't that IMO, it's that T-Mobile has publicly poo pooed small cells, yet delivered performance that basically could only be delivered with a small cell install. Anyone remembered when Allan Tarrant (infrastructure and tower negotiator for Neville Ray) came out and said that "we need to be on buildings for free"? That was just a bunch of hot air, a negotiating point. Maybe I should be crediting T-Mobile for being harder negotiators than Sprint on towers and buildings, but I still think the disconnect between rhetoric and reality should be duly noted. I'm not taking away from credit given and progress they've made in Cincinnati. 700 MHz helps there too on phones that can use it. But still, T-Mobile is obviously going to have to increase density in spectrum constrained markets. 

 

If anyone on the Magenta side wants to counter these points, you're more than welcome to do so. 

[joshuam]

The irony isn't that IMO, it's that T-Mobile has publicly poo pooed small cells, yet delivered performance that basically could only be delivered with a small cell install. Anyone remembered when Allan Tarrant (infrastructure and tower negotiator for Neville Ray) came out and said that "we need to be on buildings for free"? That was just a bunch of hot air, a negotiating point. Maybe I should be crediting T-Mobile for being harder negotiators than Sprint on towers and buildings, but I still think the disconnect between rhetoric and reality should be duly noted. I'm not taking away from credit given and progress they've made in Cincinnati. 700 MHz helps there too on phones that can use it. But still, T-Mobile is obviously going to have to increase density in spectrum constrained markets.

 

If anyone on the Magenta side wants to counter these points, you're more than welcome to do so.

On Parascope today, Legere claims T-Mobile has 50k small cells and 60k towers.

https://m.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/3e44lz/john_legere_periscope_20_july_2015/

[Fraydog]

On Parascope today, Legere claims T-Mobile has 50k small cells and 60k towers.

https://m.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/3e44lz/john_legere_periscope_20_july_2015/

Then why'd Tarrant act as if nothing had to be added?

 

 

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[joshuam]

Then why'd Tarrant act as if nothing had to be added?

 

 

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Don't even know who that is. Just remembered reading it recently on Reddit.

 

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[greenbastard]

You can enable and disable the typing indicators and outgoing read reciepts: http://s4.postimg.org/qyghfu87h/Screenshot_2015_07_22_11_15_41.png

 

Cool, cool. Well, you can disable the rich communications parts you don't like. They're not mandatory.

 

More screenshots: http://imgur.com/a/TQyr8

Now this I can get onboard with. But since this feature only seems to work with LTE, what would happen if I send a text or picture to someone not on LTE?

[bigsnake49]

Please elaborate.

 

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I think this article explains it better than I ever could.  

 

http://www.mobilitytechzone.com/topics/4g-wirelessevolution/articles/2012/11/07/315034-rcs-joyn-ott-killer-time-waster.htm

[cortney]

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Hardly a massive victory by any means. All carriers have a DAS at GABP, and there were probably many COWs for each carrier. Also, since testing locations were set up by T-Mobile employees, you have to wonder if they set them in locations where T-Mobile would perform the best....

 

Pay no attention to the COW behind the curtain. Oh, and they call that marketing crap "proof"? Yuck. 

 

Indeed, the fine print from their anecdotal results depict all carriers, as per speed, doing perfectly fine. Speed is such a pathetic measure alone.

 

What's more important is latency and jitter -- an overall consistent experience that works. Not requiring continual e-penis validation by the gigabyte, maybe eventually terabyte. More yuck. 

[joshuam]

Pay no attention to the COW behind the curtain. Oh, and they call that marketing crap "proof"? Yuck.

 

Indeed, the fine print from their anecdotal results depict all carriers, as per speed, doing perfectly fine. Speed is such a pathetic measure alone.

 

What's more important is latency and jitter -- an overall consistent experience that works. Not requiring continual e-penis validation by the gigabyte, maybe eventually terabyte. More yuck.

Close speed results aren't important at all. It's just a waste of bandwidth go test constantly. But the difference between 2-3Mbps and 10Mbps is quite substantial in the user experience, in my opinion. So overall, much faster speeds do equate to overall better experience.