What is verizon doing with 800MHz? (fcc website)

[stuckinohio1]

Well i was on the FCC website reading about the Comcast time warner stuff and noticed there is a spectrum map or something. 

 

So i started clicking around and found the county i live in and its showing 50 licenses for something or another. i dont know if they are recent purchases or what but it shows verizon doing something with 824MHz to 891.5

 

Now this is the first time i have ever used this website so i might be confused but i though that sprint owned a small sliver of 800MHz (for 1x and LTE) and the rest was all reserved for emergency stuff.

 

 

here is a link directly

 

http://reboot.fcc.gov/spectrumdashboard/detailLicense.seam?conversationId=35632

 

If i am not understanding this information correctly please feel free to explain what exactly this is.

 

 

[dbsynergy]

That's the Cellular band. Verizon has either block A or block B in most of the country, and it supports their 1x and EV-DO network.

[stuckinohio1]

That's the Cellular band. Verizon has either block A or block B in most of the country, and it supports their 1x and EV-DO network.

ahhh ok. yeah expanding on it, it lists the block as A.

 

I thought both LTE and there EVDO/1x was on 700MHz so its only their 4G LTE that is on 700? and then XLTE on 1800 or whatever?

[dbsynergy]

Only LTE is on 700MHz and XLTE on AWS (1800/2100MHz). They use Cellular (800MHz) and PCS (1900MHz) for 1x and EV-DO.

[caspar347]

ahhh ok. yeah expanding on it, it lists the block as A.

 

I thought both LTE and there EVDO/1x was on 700MHz so its only their 4G LTE that is on 700? and then XLTE on 1800 or whatever?

 

 

Only LTE is on 700MHz and XLTE on AWS (1800/2100MHz). They use Cellular (800MHz) and PCS (1900MHz) for 1x and EV-DO.

Pretty sure I read somewhere that VZ is in the early testing phases of LTE on CLR 850, but it probably won't happen for awhile. It takes a long time to refarm such valuable spectrum.

[mozamcrew]

Pretty sure I read somewhere that VZ is in the early testing phases of LTE on CLR 850, but it probably won't happen for awhile. It takes a long time to refarm such valuable spectrum.

While most carriers built out their inital LTE builds on newly purchased/acquired spectrum (700Mhz, AWS, PCS G) eventually they will all end up transitioning most of the spectrum currently providing 2G/3G services to providing additional LTE capacity.

[gnoj]

Pretty sure I read somewhere that VZ is in the early testing phases of LTE on CLR 850, but it probably won't happen for awhile. It takes a long time to refarm such valuable spectrum.

It seems more likely that they (along with AT&T) will refarm PCS first. 700 Mhz already gives them the coverage they need (although they'll argue differently come the 600 MHz auction). For VZW, it's all about providing capacity to bring speeds back up to snuff. All of their legacy handsets (and Sprint 's) support CLR 850 for 2G/3G, so eliminating CDMA/GSM on PCS would likely only impact some M2M. It would also avoid reducing 2G/3G coverage during the transition to all-(Vo)LTE. Obviously their plans would have to differ a bit in the few markets where they don't have either CLR license.

[Dfarley]

For what it's worth, it appears that VZW has already begun reframing their PCS spectrum to LTE in the Cleveland market. This was taken from a VZW iPhone 6 in the Eastern Cleveland market a couple weeks ago:

[S4GRU]

For what it's worth, it appears that VZW has already begun reframing their PCS spectrum to LTE in the Cleveland market. This was taken from a VZW iPhone 6 in the Eastern Cleveland market a couple weeks ago:

Wow. VZW using just 5MHz channels in PCS? Surprising.

 

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[lilotimz]

Wow. VZW using just 5MHz channels in PCS? Surprising.

 

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Could be a samsung Pico cell. Their Samsung Pico cells are pcs Lte only.

 

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[S4GRU]

Could be a samsung Pico cell. Their Samsung Pico cells are pcs Lte only.

 

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Verizon is using Samsung as a vendor?  And Verizon would use pico cells only on a LTE band that only a very small amount of their devices currently support?

[lilotimz]

Verizon is using Samsung as a vendor? And Verizon would use pico cells only on a LTE band that only a very small amount of their devices currently support?

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=441669&fcc_id=A3LSLS-BP00AK

 

http://www.lightreading.com/mobile/small-cells/samsung-snags-verizon-4g-small-cell-indoor-deal/d/d-id/708029

 

Verizon small cells are everywhere.

 

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[S4GRU]

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=441669&fcc_id=A3LSLS-BP00AK

 

http://www.lightreading.com/mobile/small-cells/samsung-snags-verizon-4g-small-cell-indoor-deal/d/d-id/708029

 

Verizon small cells are everywhere.

 

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Even though that specific item is for Band 2 only, I cannot imagine Verizon using Band 2 only in its LTE pico cell deployment.  They either have another Samsung pico cell that has passed the FCC or that will be submitted.

[lilotimz]

Even though that specific item is for Band 2 only, I cannot imagine Verizon using Band 2 only in its LTE pico cell deployment. They either have another Samsung pico cell that has passed the FCC or that will be submitted.

I believe their existing Ericson pico cell is pcs Lte only as well but they undoubtedly have more models. They have 750 mhz and aws small cells too.

 

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[dkyeager]

I believe their existing Ericson pico cell is pcs Lte only as well but they undoubtedly have more models. They have 750 mhz and aws small cells too.

 

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These small cells are popping up like mushrooms in columbus

[Tengen31]

Wow. VZW using just 5MHz channels in PCS? Surprising.

 

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All 4 US carriers 1900 PCS is 5mhz. vzw's sprint's at&t's and Tmobile"S are all 5mhz

[lilotimz]

All 4 US carriers 1900 PCS is 5mhz. vzw's sprint's at&t's and Tmobile"S are all 5mhz

Nope. Tmobile and ATT and possibly Verizon also runs 10x10 pcs Lte at some places.

[Tengen31]

Only LTE is on 700MHz and XLTE on AWS (1800/2100MHz). They use Cellular (800MHz) and PCS (1900MHz) for 1x and EV-DO.

verzion is planning LTE on there 1900 pcs

[payturr]

All 4 US carriers 1900 PCS is 5mhz. vzw's sprint's at&t's and Tmobile"S are all 5mhz

Nope. 10x10 here in NYC for VZW and AT&T.

[stuckinohio1]

i have been thinking about this for a while now. if you take away B41 (2500MHz) from sprint they actually have like no spectrum what so ever. if they could only deploy 5x5 on B26 and 25 they effectively have less spectrum than T-Mo.

 

I know they license some 2500MHz from schools and such so lets hope they dont get any ideas to take the spectrum from sprint and try to sell if for a profit. considering a 20 or 40MHz Block of spectrum would get them a boat load of money.

 

On the other hand i have no idea why verizon is even deploying LTE in 1900MHz as a 5x5 carrier. they have so many customers that their 700MHz 10x10 is slower than sprint in alot of places so whats the point of a 5x5 carrier. all they would do is give their subs slower speeds and miff em real good.

 

They would be better off selling that small sliver of spectrum since T-mo/spint/AT&T/ would probably be highly interested in adding it to their own holdings for wider channels.

[anthony.spina97]

i have been thinking about this for a while now. if you take away B41 (2500MHz) from sprint they actually have like no spectrum what so ever. if they could only deploy 5x5 on B26 and 25 they effectively have less spectrum than T-Mo.

 

I know they license some 2500MHz from schools and such so lets hope they dont get any ideas to take the spectrum from sprint and try to sell if for a profit. considering a 20 or 40MHz Block of spectrum would get them a boat load of money.

 

On the other hand i have no idea why verizon is even deploying LTE in 1900MHz as a 5x5 carrier. they have so many customers that their 700MHz 10x10 is slower than sprint in alot of places so whats the point of a 5x5 carrier. all they would do is give their subs slower speeds and miff em real good.

 

They would be better off selling that small sliver of spectrum since T-mo/spint/AT&T/ would probably be highly interested in adding it to their own holdings for wider channels.

First, you have to include Sprint's PCS holdings that currently are being used for CDMA instead of LTE, which alone can be more than 35 MHz in some markets.

 

Next, the benefit of Verizon running a 5x5 in PCS means that Verizon goes from having the capacity of a 10x10 network to having the capacity of a 15x15 network when in range of the PCS carrier. Which, in turn, will increase speeds on the 700 MHz network.

 

-Anthony

[kg4icg]

First, you have to include Sprint's PCS holdings that currently are being used for CDMA instead of LTE, which alone can be more than 35 MHz in some markets.

 

Next, the benefit of Verizon running a 5x5 in PCS means that Verizon goes from having the capacity of a 10x10 network to having the capacity of a 15x15 network when in range of the PCS carrier. Which, in turn, will increase speeds on the 700 MHz network.

 

-Anthony

But that would involve carrier aggregation which Verizon hasn't really starting to build out for. Only 2 current US carriers can do LTEAdvanced, AT&T and Sprint. T-Mobile and Verizon for right now are still on FDD.

[anthony.spina97]

But that would involve carrier aggregation which Verizon hasn't really starting to build out for. Only 2 current US carriers can do LTEAdvanced, AT&T and Sprint. T-Mobile and Verizon for right now are still on FDD.

The CAPACITY of a 15x15, not the throughput of a 15x15. It's the same thing as Sprint launching a second 5x5 carrier in PCS.

 

-Anthony

[kg4icg]

But you are talking about 2 different frequency bands. 700 and 800.

[Paynefanbro]

But you are talking about 2 different frequency bands. 700 and 800.

 

I think you are misunderstanding. Right now, Sprint doesn't have any carrier aggregation in place (as far as we all know). Sprint is currently running a 5x5 in PCS and a 5x5 in SMR in most places which effectively gives them the capacity of a 10x10. Speeds on the other hand are at 5x5 levels.