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6 hours ago, Terrell352 said:

This is major news!!! https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/ericsson-rolls-out-standalone-5g-nr-software

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Given how competent Ericsson seems at developing new network equipment, I still can’t believe how bad they were at managing it as part of the Managed Services Contract it had with Sprint a while back.

I guess all is forgiven now?

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10 hours ago, RedSpark said:

Given how competent Ericsson seems at developing new network equipment, I still can’t believe how bad they were at managing it as part of the Managed Services Contract it had with Sprint a while back.

I guess all is forgiven now?

I'm not sure Ericsson was to blame....  after all, we are talking about Sprint.   Money / Management issues ... If you're not releasing funding when you're suppose to and you are constantly changing directions, how good can they be?   

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1 hour ago, dro1984 said:

I'm not sure Ericsson was to blame....  after all, we are talking about Sprint.   Money / Management issues ... If you're not releasing funding when you're suppose to and you are constantly changing directions, how good can they be?   

Sprint and Ericsson renewed certain portions of their managed services contract in 2016: https://www.ericsson.com/en/press-releases/2016/7/sprint-and-ericsson-renew-portions-of-managed-services-partnership

John Saw posted about it: https://newsroom.sprint.com/the-operational-side-of-our-network-transformation.htm

Sprint took in some Ericsson employees as part of the renewal (Some of whom were former Sprint employees):

https://www.kansascity.com/news/business/technology/article92233777.html

https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/sprint-to-take-some-ericsson-employees-as-companies-renew-parts-network-outsourcing-pact

Some history from the FierceWireless article on the original deal announced in July 2009:

The network-outsourcing pact was initially announced in July 2009, with Sprint transferring 6,000 employees to the Swedish gear vendor and Ericsson taking over day-to-day operations of the CDMA, iDEN and wireline networks. The outsourcing arrangement, which was big enough to merit its own name – the companies dubbed it "Network Advantage" – was hailed as a "game changer" at the time by one analyst.”

Some more interesting background:

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20090713006068/en/Sprint-Managed-Services-Deal-Ericsson-Network-Operations

https://www.lightreading.com/ethernet-ip/ericsson-sprint-in-$5b-managed-services-deal/d/d-id/669095

Apparently, Ericsson didn’t manage things well. I’m sure others here have much more detailed knowledge on what went wrong.

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Great... it had to do with Nextel?!!  Gary Forsee... Sprint/iDen integration.... LOL!!!...  OMG!!   Again, I stand by my original thoughts. 

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2 hours ago, RedSpark said:

Apparently, Ericsson didn’t manage things well. I’m sure others here have much more detailed knowledge on what went wrong.

The problem was the lack of penalties for missing deadlines and the lack of incentives for getting things done. 

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2 minutes ago, RAvirani said:

The problem was the lack of penalties for missing deadlines and the lack of incentives for getting things done. 

...and that is called oversight.    Oversight is what management is supposed to do.    Making sure things are getting done and on time.   

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19 minutes ago, RAvirani said:

The problem was the lack of penalties for missing deadlines and the lack of incentives for getting things done. 

But how could Ericsson perform so poorly? Was Sprint’s outsourcing to them just a really bad idea from the beginning and beyond their scope of expertise?

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Its that time of year again..

And Sprint did excellent!! The upload is definitely hurting their scores, but on average they were one of the fastest of the big four..

 

 

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25 minutes ago, nexgencpu said:

Its that time of year again..

And Sprint did excellent!! The upload is definitely hurting there scores, but on average they were one of the fastest of the big four..

 

 

 

As soon as 25+41 CA is live, we should see a BIG uptick in Sprint's scores in tests like these. 

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As soon as 25+41 CA is live, we should see a BIG uptick in Sprint's scores in tests like these. 

The problem is consistency and without FDD/TDD CA it’s not going to happen.


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The problem is consistency and without FDD/TDD CA it’s not going to happen.


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At this point I don't think we ever see FDD+TDD until new TMOBILE.

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At this point I don't think we ever see FDD+TDD until new TMOBILE.

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Look at the configuration. B41/B46. Sure looks like they are seeding for the merger.a83b6b42cb1e2c71f237daa5bd8bcc20.jpg

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Look at the configuration. B41/B46. Sure looks like they are seeding for the merger.a83b6b42cb1e2c71f237daa5bd8bcc20.jpg

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I bet the unlocked models don't have that enabled. My unlocked S9 supports 25+26 and 25+41 but doesn't have the option to enable it. You should check mark all those

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I bet the unlocked models don't have that enabled. My unlocked S9 supports 25+26 and 25+41 but doesn't have the option to enable it. You should check mark all those

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I just did. The network so far is not using any of it.


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I just did. The network so far is not using any of it.


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be fun to see how 15x1525+B41 worked out. When you in a area with both of those

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Yep it would be. I'm one county away from 15mhz. We got stuck with 10mhz but it's better than b25 CA

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6 hours ago, nexgencpu said:

Its that time of year again..

And Sprint did excellent!! The upload is definitely hurting their scores, but on average they were one of the fastest of the big four..

They were second for average download speeds. The problem is their piss poor uploads, latency, reliability, and consistency. They won in Portland because they were consistent and they tied in SLC. Everywhere else was a loss. I wouldn't say that they did excellent. I would say they did ok at best. 

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12 minutes ago, Brad The Beast said:

They were second for average download speeds. The problem is their piss poor uploads, latency, reliability, and consistency. They won in Portland because they were consistent and they tied in SLC. Everywhere else was a loss. I wouldn't say that they did excellent. I would say they did ok at best. 

Considering how all pro merger folks paint them out to be, you'd think the sky is falling, but on the contrary, they are doing quite well with limited resources. In fact, if they started CA B25/B26+B41 would solve 90% of the issues involved with slower uploads and reliability. 

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6 minutes ago, nexgencpu said:

Considering how all pro merger folks paint them out to be, you'd think the sky is falling, but on the contrary, they are doing quite well with limited resources. In fact, if they started CA B25/B26+B41 would solve 90% of the issues involved with slower uploads and reliability. 

It would. There isn't anything that supports uplink 3CA though. 25+41 uplink CA should really help, especially in places where they have 15x15 band 25. 

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26 minutes ago, Brad The Beast said:

It would. There isn't anything that supports uplink 3CA though. 25+41 uplink CA should really help, especially in places where they have 15x15 band 25. 

Don't need it to be 15x15 even 5x5 on B26 would be fine to help stabilize B41's upload on the edge of signal. (Would like to point out, that B41 on M-MIMO does exhibit considerably better upload stability vs 8t8r)

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Don't need it to be 15x15 even 5x5 on B26 would be fine to help stabilize B41's upload on the edge of signal. (Would like to point out, that B41 on M-MIMO does exhibit considerably better upload stability vs 8t8r)
That's good to know

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On 6/18/2019 at 8:39 AM, dro1984 said:

...and that is called oversight.    Oversight is what management is supposed to do.    Making sure things are getting done and on time.   

Yes.   But we didn't live in a bubble.  There were two other vendors.  Ericsson was clearly the worst of the three in Network Vision deployment (in some ways they had to do it twice). 

Also, when it comes to network management, a third party will almost NEVER do as good of a job yourself, because they don't take ownership of the issues the way you would yourself.  And so there is not the sense of urgency when an issue or roadblock comes up.  And you're much more likely to accept no as an answer.  I see it all day long in my line of work.

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6 hours ago, S4GRU said:
Yes.   But we didn't live in a bubble.  There were two other vendors.  Ericsson was clearly the worst of the three in Network Vision deployment (in some ways they had to do it twice). 
Also, when it comes to network management, a third party will almost NEVER do as good of a job yourself, because they don't take ownership of the issues the way you would yourself.  And so there is not the sense of urgency when an issue or roadblock comes up.  And you're much more likely to accept no as an answer.  I see it all day long in my line of work.
Robert

Sprint calls in Ericsson for site work ==> Ericsson assigns available local peons of varying quality to work ==> some time later ==> Ericsson worker arrives on site ==> worker connects to Ericsson employees in India to do the actual work ==> worker verifies work is "done" and calls it a day ==> tells sprint all good.


TLDR of Ericssons network management work.

TLDR2: Remember the 65 MHz PCS project? Ericsson completely ripped out the entire PCS NV ERC network in 2014+ for brand new radios for basically free while ALU and Samsung NV era PCS radios are still in use. 

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Perhaps some interesting info will come out of this?

Edit to add: clicking on the #SprintAnalystDay hashtag brings up some interesting tweets about the event.

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This is the marketing message Sprint is going with for 5G: We’re the reliable 5G network.

Thoughts?

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