nexgencpu Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 I wonder what the battery life tradeoff will be - that 2x increased power output has to take a big chunk out of the battery.Time on data will be less so I'm sure it balances itself out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkoellerwx Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 So if I understand correctly, let's say without hpue, downlink signal can travel 100 m, and uplink signal can travel 70 m. So as long as an user stays withing 70 m from a cell tower, he will stay connected, but if he travels beyond 70 m, he will lose connection even if the downlink signal can still reach him. So if his phone is equipped with hpue, then the *up*link signal can increase to 100 m therefore he will stay connected up to 100 m from the cell tower. I know it is very simplified example, but am I on the right track? If you change the last "downlink" to "uplink," haha, then yes, simplified but right rack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laqn1283 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 thanx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamMrFamous07 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Seems like great news all around...I'm still reading everything however did they mention when all of this will be rolled out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyroned3222 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 If you change the last "downlink" to "uplink," haha, then yes, simplified but right rack.So, new phones are required for this tech. So, once sprint rolls out 4*4 mimo would we need another device? Once 4*ca is rolled out(which is in the future of course ) will we need another device ? Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamMrFamous07 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 So, new phones are required for this tech. So, once sprint rolls out 4*4 mimo would we need another device? Once 4*ca is rolled out(which is in the future of course ) will we need another device ? Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk It seems like you will need a new phone every year to take advantage of the latest network technology. Thank goodness I'm on iPhone forever lol 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkoellerwx Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 So, new phones are required for this tech. So, once sprint rolls out 4*4 mimo would we need another device? Once 4*ca is rolled out(which is in the future of course ) will we need another device ? Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk A limited number of devices currently support 4x4 MIMO. Support for HPUE and 4x4 plus 264 QAM should come on the same device. 4xCA is not currently planned for mobile devices in the near future as far as I am aware. Rather there will be 2 chains of 3xCA per sector, utilizing 6 carriers where possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkoellerwx Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 New technology requires new devices. This is not something new... I am not sure why some of you seem surprised over this. HPUE wasn't even certified until 7 days ago, so it's not like it was something that could have been included in this year's devices. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyroned3222 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 New technology requires new devices. This is not something new... I am not sure why some of you seem surprised over this. HPUE wasn't even certified until 7 days ago, so it's not like it was something that could have been included in this year's devices. Well for one: other then the I phone sprint users can't upgrade whenever they would like(without paying a big fee. So, to experience this 30% increased coverage on 2.5 (which is very essential) customers will have to wait quite some times to get this. A lot of sales reps & customer service will use this as an excuse to why your coverage is bad. Oh, that's because you don't have this new tech in your phone you gotta upgrade Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkoellerwx Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Well for one: other then the I phone sprint users can't upgrade whenever they would like(without paying a big fee. So, to experience this 30% increased coverage on 2.5 (which is very essential) customers will have to wait quite some times to get this. A lot of sales reps & customer service will use this as an excuse to why your coverage is bad. Oh, that's because you don't have this new tech in your phone you gotta upgrade Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk But that doesn't change the fact that new devices always come with new technologies. There are always advances being made. Every year's devices will be better than the year before. It has been this way with computers and smartphones since they were invented. It's not going to change any time soon. So you can't act like this is some outrageous, malicious act to force upgrades. While it does drive upgrades, it's just part of the cycle of technology. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenbastard Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Adding a different LTE band is way different than just increasing the signal Strength. Sent from my 2PQ93 using Tapatalk You can't just increase the transmitting power of an existing phone. They weren't designed for it just like old LTE T-Mobile phones weren't designed to Tx and Rx B12, even though they already support LTE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiWavelength Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 HPUE is an uplink improvement. It increases the transmit power of the device from 23dBm to 26dBm... Not transmitted power, conducted power. Some handsets already can exceed 23 dBm EIRP on band 41. AJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickj1399 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 It seems like you will need a new phone every year to take advantage of the latest network technology. Thank goodness I'm on iPhone forever lol Is the iPhone 7 capable of HPUE? Once they send out the carrier settings update I'm assuming Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamMrFamous07 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Is the iPhone 7 capable of HPUE? Once they send out the carrier settings update I'm assuming Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk No device supports this. We don't even know if the iPhone 8 will support it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paynefanbro Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 More info in Dr. Saw's post as well.... http://newsroom.sprint.com/blogs/sprint-perspectives/breakthrough-hpue-innovation-to-benefit-tdd-lte-networks-worldwide.htm 30% Coverage extension for 2.5 GHz... and.... The small cell pictured in this release is also the first one that I ever connected to in NYC. It's near South Ferry. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamMrFamous07 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 "We are already working on five-channel carrier aggregation in preparation for 5G." 5xCA....can't wait!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyroned3222 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 The small cell pictured in this release is also the first one that I ever connected to in NYC. It's near South Ferry.How did it performBut that doesn't change the fact that new devices always come with new technologies. There are always advances being made. Every year's devices will be better than the year before. It has been this way with computers and smartphones since they were invented. It's not going to change any time soon. So you can't act like this is some outrageous, malicious act to force upgrades. While it does drive upgrades, it's just part of the cycle of technology. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkoellerwx Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 How did it perform Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk The small cell performance is well documented in the New York City thread. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samwelltarley Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 So when these new handsets come out, we don't need to worry about a device emitting at 400mW hugging our body (and brain) all day right? I'm a paranoid and I've always worried about my 200mW device attached to my body and I'm not sure how I would feel about these 400mW ones. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamMrFamous07 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 I always thought the 8t8r antennas and beam orming was supposed to give band 41 that comparable coverage as 1.9. Are 8t8r antennas still being installed? Haven't heard much about them 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkoellerwx Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 I always thought the 8t8r antennas and beam orming was supposed to give band 41 that comparable coverage as 1.9. Are 8t8r antennas still being installed? Haven't heard much about them They do give comparable coverage, but this change will make the footprint even closer to that of PCS. And of course 8T8R antennas are still being installed. Installation rates dropped for a while, but we are seeing more deployment now, especially in cities that either didn't see any or had a limited B41 rollout initially. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamMrFamous07 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 They do give comparable coverage, but this change will make the footprint even closer to that of PCS. And of course 8T8R antennas are still being installed. Installation rates dropped for a while, but we are seeing more deployment now, especially in cities that either didn't see any or had a limited B41 rollout initially. True.... I'm excited and I can't wait until the AMA session this Friday. Hopefully Sprint exceeds expectations with the small cell rollout in 2017. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucdenny Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 True.... I'm excited and I can't wait until the AMA session this Friday. Hopefully Sprint exceeds expectations with the small cell rollout in 2017. On top of that, add 8T8R on all sites. In San Diego market, maybe 40% completed. Many areas with only 2xB25 and that's it. Imagine that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiWavelength Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 So when these new handsets come out, we don't need to worry about a device emitting at 400mW hugging our body (and brain) all day right? I'm a paranoid and I've always worried about my 200mW device attached to my body and I'm not sure how I would feel about these 400mW ones. Ah, then a VZW variant Samsung Galaxy Note 3 is just the handset for you. Very little RF radiation directed at your body or your serving cell site. AJ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilotimz Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 I always thought the 8t8r antennas and beam orming was supposed to give band 41 that comparable coverage as 1.9. Are 8t8r antennas still being installed? Haven't heard much about them 8T8R antennas and beamforming increases the eNB performance. You're still at mercy of the UE since it is the signal from the UE which will fail way before those of the macro / micro / pico sites. So 8T8R pushes the envelope of coverage from the macro cell site in comparison to say the Clearwire equipment. Now you run into the issue where the 8T8R antennas can talk to your device but your device can't talk back to the 8T8R antenna. This is where HPUE will help out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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