Marcelo Claure, Town Hall Meetings, New Family Share Pack Plan, Unlimited Individual Plan, Discussion Thread

[red_dog007]

Satellite backhaul can support 1+ Gbps. The ping depends on what kind of orbit the satellite is located low earth orbit can be as low as 150 milliseconds. It will not be good for urban settings but would be good for rural highway sites. They could have one satellite backhaul site and it using microwave to get more sites upto lte.

Are there even leo satellites up there that provide business broadband, and enough of them for the constant coverage that is required? Otherwise, looking at 500ms+ ping.

 

I just wonder how many of these sites actually only have Sprint.  If the other guys got internet...  If they have internet for 3G, why are the providers able to just upgrade the line with new technology? Keep the wire, replace the hardware.  Companies like ATT and Comcast have been doing this for decades. The DSL lines on the power poles in my yard are from 1992 and now offer up to 10Mbps.  Cable lines are from 1999 and offer 150Mbps.  For really rural towers, I'd imagine that even 10Mbps backhaul connection would be plenty for three LTE sectors.  

[Trip]

I just wonder how many of these sites actually only have Sprint.  If the other guys got internet...  If they have internet for 3G, why are the providers able to just upgrade the line with new technology? Keep the wire, replace the hardware.  Companies like ATT and Comcast have been doing this for decades. The DSL lines on the power poles in my yard are from 1992 and now offer up to 10Mbps.  Cable lines are from 1999 and offer 150Mbps.  For really rural towers, I'd imagine that even 10Mbps backhaul connection would be plenty for three LTE sectors.  

 

My experience is that the sites with serious or backhaul problems are pretty obvious because the other carriers have the same problems.  For example, at Mount Vernon (yes, that one) is a cell site where AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile are all lacking LTE.  Verizon has just the 10x10 on 700 MHz. 

 

3G service levels are usually attainable through copper.  To get enough for LTE, one would typically need a fiber upgrade. 

 

- Trip

[chamb]

 

 

3G service levels are usually attainable through copper.  To get enough for LTE, one would typically need a fiber upgrade. 

 

- Trip

Yes Fiber, or a slightly less desirable, but adequate microwave hop.

[Tajustin95]

As a sprint customer is doesn't sound like Marcelo is going to be fulfilling his word of being number 1 or 2 in the major markets.

[samwelltarley]

As a sprint customer is doesn't sound like Marcelo is going to be fulfilling his word of being number 1 or 2 in the major markets.

They said their small cell permits have doubled. Is it a big deal? Or it just doubled from 300 to 600 (it's starting from such a pathetic low base that it doesn't matter)?

 

 

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[tybo31316]

It seems as if Sprint/Softbank are trying to keep the company afloat long enough to try a merger/buyout of T-Mobile. Maybe T-Mobile will purchase Sprint.

[Tajustin95]

RIP execution

[Ascertion]

It seems as if Sprint/Softbank are trying to keep the company afloat long enough to try a merger/buyout of T-Mobile. Maybe T-Mobile will purchase Sprint.

Sprint's definitely going for the long term. I just don't think anyone wants to purchase the company with all of that debt, which is why they're lowering network spending to pay it off.

 

I could see Comcast or Google buying Sprint in the future. T-Mobile merger is unlikely I think.

[tybo31316]

Sprint's definitely going for the long term. I just don't think anyone wants to purchase the company with all of that debt, which is why they're lowering network spending to pay it off.

 

I could see Comcast or Google buying Sprint in the future. T-Mobile merger is unlikely I think.

Google just announced yesterday that they are stopping their Fiber rollout and laying off their workers. So maybe something is in the works.

[Paynefanbro]

Google just announced yesterday that they are stopping their Fiber rollout and laying off their workers. So maybe something is in the works.

It's in an effort to focus on wireless gigabit which is less costly for them and will likely provide the same results. It's exactly what Verizon and AT&T are doing too.

 

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[utiz4321]

Dont root for google to take over sprint. Google does most things half assed, out side of their core products. Keep in mind what happened when they purchased Motorola.

 

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[Flompholph]

Are there even leo satellites up there that provide business broadband, and enough of them for the constant coverage that is required? Otherwise, looking at 500ms+ ping.

 

I just wonder how many of these sites actually only have Sprint.  If the other guys got internet...  If they have internet for 3G, why are the providers able to just upgrade the line with new technology? Keep the wire, replace the hardware.  Companies like ATT and Comcast have been doing this for decades. The DSL lines on the power poles in my yard are from 1992 and now offer up to 10Mbps.  Cable lines are from 1999 and offer 150Mbps.  For really rural towers, I'd imagine that even 10Mbps backhaul connection would be plenty for three LTE sectors.  

The O3B constellation has 12 satellites in the air in MEO. So they have full coverage so far north 45° and limited beyond that. O3B are claiming 150 ms mouth to ear meaning one way. If it was sent thorough the landline upload and download through the satellite the latency would be around 170 ms.  Each satellite is 10+Gbps but they go around the globe so there may only be only 1 in view at a time which means 3-4 Gbps. The high throughput satellites are in GEO 100+ Gbps. Sprint will need to use both satellites and land lines at sites and load balance and place video and audio streams over the GEO and place websites over O3B like sites and land line for more low latency things like loading webpages. The cost of the load balancing equipment is ~$100 it would best to be built into the satellite terminal equipment to easily move it to a new site. 10 Mbps is not enough for more than 3g and phone.  With 3g being able to do 3Mbps with 3 sectors can get saturated very fast. But it may be enough to handle just webpages and other things that need a lower latency.

 

I was going through satellite capacity and found a sprint logo as a customer in SES investor package page 31 and 33. SES owns O3B and other GEO. I am not sure of the total capacity for their GEO but they are launching a few HTS for US in 2017 and doubling O3B satellite capacity with 2 launches 1Q 2017 and 2018.

 

(PDF) http://www.ses.com/Investor-Day-Presentation-2016

[dnicekid]

It seems as if Sprint/Softbank are trying to keep the company afloat long enough to try a merger/buyout of T-Mobile. Maybe T-Mobile will purchase Sprint.

The was the industry is going I don't think it's Tmo/sprint

Sprint/Tmo will have to merge with dish/Comcast

It will be interesting though

[afazel]

Quote from Gilat..

 

"Gilat addressed these challenges through cost effective embedded acceleration in the SkyEdge II-c hubs and terminals, which overcame the satellite latency issues to support the high speed requirements of 3G/LTE networks. The Capricorn-4 and Capricorn Pro VSATs, which support TDM/TDMA at 200Mbps, were designed explicitly to meet the 3G/LTE performance requirements."

 

Unless they've got the satellites lower in the sky, I'm not sure how they're getting around the speed of light limitation.

[kg4icg]

https://fccid.io/NM82PYB200 This might be the upcoming HTC Bolt that is coming out in the near futue on Sprint, and Everywhere else it will be called the Evo

[Flompholph]

Unless they've got the satellites lower in the sky, I'm not sure how they're getting around the speed of light limitation.

In networks there is more than speed of light pings. The equipment itself adds to the latency. In some networks the equipment is what adds the most to latency. The statement most likely is referring to QOS features and lower latency hardware. The terminal does not care if the satellite is a blimp over head or the moon.

[kg4icg]

https://fccid.io/NM82PYB200 This might be the upcoming HTC Bolt that is coming out in the near futue on Sprint, and Everywhere else it will be called the Evo

 

cancel that, frequencies aren't right

[jimmyray1990]

Don't Sat based internet has long ping times? Unless they are going to use a Terrestrial based Ka band like Sirius/XM has in some cities

 

 

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Edited October 28, 2016 by jimmyray1990

[Flompholph]

Don't Sat based internet has long ping times? Unless they are going to use a Terrestrial based Ka band like Sirius/XM has in some cities

 

 

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Some do but it depends on the distance so it could be anywhere between 40ms to 3 sec. Some sites are still unusable because they don't/can't have fiber. By can't I mean cost prohibited for the time being or slow access to get fiber installed(ie Google Fiber meaning other slowing you down). Would it be better to let that area suffer or give them a chance to use a satellite backhaul? That way it will make it where you can still load pages and stream video without them timing out or roaming as much.

[nexgencpu]

Looks like San Antonio just approved Mobilite permits for small cells build out..

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2016/10/28/california-company-to-build-wholesale-lte-network.html

 

Also mentioned in the article..

 

During a June technology conference, Mobilite CEO Gary Jabara told the crowd that his company has "built thousands of (small cell) sites and have thousands of approved permits in hand."

 

Hopefully we will start seeing more users start posting about some small cell experiences. 

[danlodish345]

It's in an effort to focus on wireless gigabit which is less costly for them and will likely provide the same results. It's exactly what Verizon and AT&T are doing too.

 

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http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2016/10/30/robb-t-time-warner-merger-already-dead-and-s-shame/92900988/ merger is dead

[Paynefanbro]

http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2016/10/30/robb-t-time-warner-merger-already-dead-and-s-shame/92900988/ merger is dead

Did you mean to quote me in this? It doesn't relate to my comment.

 

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[WiWavelength]

http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2016/10/30/robb-t-time-warner-merger-already-dead-and-s-shame/92900988/ merger is dead

 

Is critical thinking dead?

 

That is an editorial from one notoriously Republican newspaper.  It is not a news article.

 

AJ

[bigmachine]

Is critical thinking dead?

 

 

Is that a rhetorical question?

[danlodish345]

it maybe a rhetorical question all question welcome lol

 

Is that a rhetorical question?

 

 

Is critical thinking dead?

 

That is an editorial from one notoriously Republican newspaper.  It is not a news article.

 

AJ