Marcelo Claure, Town Hall Meetings, New Family Share Pack Plan, Unlimited Individual Plan, Discussion Thread

[utiz4321]

The bigger question is why would anyone choose sprint? They aren't the largest network, not the most reliable, but the promise has always been they would be the fastest. If they could pull that off, which requires investment in the network, then they would have a place in the market. With out this, they have to compete on price and price alone.

 

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[Johnner1999]

Regardless, this announcement makes Sprint's look like trash in comparison. I wonder if this is some type of b.s. or its real because everyone here said the s7, s7 edge and note 7 couldn't do 4x4 mimo.

Neville stated later in the month with a software update to the phones.

 

 

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[Johnner1999]

Sprint's 3xCA is supposed to launch by Early 2017... but it may happen sooner. We'll see when it actually happens.

Just seems like - will next quarter or next year. Is always the punchline.

 

 

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[RedSpark]

This is exactly what I meant by sprint always being behind. It was taken as complaining. This is a prime example, Tmo has changed out (based on the article) the hardware or whatever was needed to do 4x4. Sprint has announced 3xca in one or 2 cities. How the hell does Tmo and vzw get all this work done on towers while sprint can't seem to get past permits?? It just seems like sprint has all these issues while everyone is building out. We know they cut back spending... How will you keep up if you can't keep the build outs going??? Is this some sneaky stuff by masa to try and merge?? Is this him tired of putting money in and trying to sell??

It certainly doesn't seem like the masa/Marcelo team that said in 2 years sprint would have the best network..

 

Günther Ottendorfer (COO, Technology) is actually going to be doing an AMA in the Sprint Subreddit on Sept. 12th from 1:30PM-2:30PM CT.

 

Ask him!

[nexgencpu]

Yet im sitting here in the middle of the worlds biggest city with my lil bro, me connected to a small cell on 47th street hitting 60mbs+ while he is connected to a congested B4 20x20+B12 5x5 CA tower on Tmobile hitting 2mbs...

[Johnner1999]

You do realize 3xCA is live on more than 500 sites in Chicago and will be live on more than 100 sites in Kansas City by the end of September.

 

Sprint is testing/doing initial deployments, along with these demos, to ensure reliability.

2 cities testing

 

Vs

 

300 plus live cities current.

 

 

Granted no devices till later in the month. I also Assume tomorrow's iPhone announcements may add to that.

 

Not bashing any carrier btw. Just impressed and showing lack of faith in Sprint.

 

 

 

 

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[utiz4321]

Yet im sitting here in the middle of the worlds biggest city with my lil bro me connected to a small cell on 47th street hitting 60mbs+ while he is connected to a congested B4 20x20+B12 5x5 CA tower on Tmobile hitting 2mbs...

The worlds biggest city? In the states? In any case yeah for new York but it isn't the world or the country.

 

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[nexgencpu]

The worlds biggest city? In the states? In any case yeah for new York but it isn't the world or the country.

 

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Excuse me, the second largest city in the world. This is just a sample taste of what the futures look like for both companies under heavy load.

 

I do not think T-mobile feels that they will leapfrog everyone with this tech, its just to stay in the game. Most of the equipment deployed is already capable of 4x4MIMO on Sprint, Tmobile and Verizon (not sure about ATT, but most likely) 

[nexgencpu]

The worlds biggest city? In the states? In any case yeah for new York but it isn't the world or the country.

 

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Doesn't take long to find out how congested their network is becoming in many places.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/51cpfc/so_long_farewell_i_wish_you_all_a_better/

[Johnner1999]

It's a great testament to small cells.

 

I'd be curious to know how many users attached to the small cell. And the 2mbps tmo tower.

 

 

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[nexgencpu]

It's a great testament to small cells.

 

I'd be curious to know how many users attached to the small cell. And the 2mbps tmo tower.

 

 

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I do not know the exact numbers, but what I can tell you is that they are both extremely popular here in NYC since all carriers offer decent service.

 

But I'm sure that the t mobile macro cell is definitely doing more heavy lifting as expected. But the one thing that the small cells are doing for sprint is relieving a ton of load off of B41/B25/26 Macro sites for mostly indoor folks.

 

I did run a speed test indoors on B25 today and was pleasantly surprised to hit 10mb near where small cells are located.

[IamMrFamous07]

2 cities testing

 

Vs

 

300 plus live cities current.

 

 

Granted no devices till later in the month. I also Assume tomorrow's iPhone announcements may add to that.

 

Not bashing any carrier btw. Just impressed and showing lack of faith in Sprint.

 

 

 

 

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That's just what sprint announced. Many areas already have the 3rd Carrier turned on but sprint has not announced them yet.

 

I expect a bigger announcement either this week or next.

[utiz4321]

It's a great testament to small cells.

 

I'd be curious to know how many users attached to the small cell. And the 2mbps tmo tower.

 

 

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The idea behind small cells is to have fewer user on each cell. This is part of the reason they are so good at increasing capacity.

 

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[Johnner1999]

Doesn't take long to find out how congested their network is becoming in many places

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/51cpfc/so_long_farewell_i_wish_you_all_a_better/

 

Well it's pretty obvious that T-Mobile know they are spectrum poor.

 

Hmmm which carrier is Spectrum Rich and cash poor!!? Hmm

 

Maybe DT should buy TMO a gift ;-)

 

 

The idea behind small cells is to have fewer user on each cell. This is part of the reason they are so good at increasing capacity.

 

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I know.

 

 

 

That's just what sprint announced. Many areas already have the 3rd Carrier turned on but sprint has not announced them yet.

 

I expect a bigger announcement either this week or next.

 

I believe that 317 cities were MIMO 4x4 upgrades... as tmo already rolled out 3rd CA.

 

 

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[NYC126]

Seems Magenta always have a card under their sleeves. Unless Sprint comes out do 3x carrier aggregation on a 4x4 MIMO their 230 megabits down peak speeds will be yesterday news compared with the 400 peaks Tmobile will deploy commercially. 

 

If somehow in the future Tmobile gets Dish spectrum holdings whether by merger or partnership Sprint  "With our 120mhz of 2.5ghz spectrum we will have an advantage on our competitors"  will become a total irrelevant carrier. 

[Johnner1999]

What's the deal or real world advantage to the higher QAM level? Does it allow more bits to pass in each packet?

 

 

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[nexgencpu]

Seems Magenta always have a card under their sleeves. Unless Sprint comes out do 3x carrier aggregation on a 4x4 MIMO their 230 megabits down peak speeds will be yesterday news compared with the 400 peaks Tmobile will deploy commercially. 

You do realize that All Sprint B41 (not clear obviously) equipment support 4x4 MIMO? and Sprint has it in the cards for next year. So 3XCA(20+20+20)+4x4 MIMO is quite a bit higher than 400mbs...

[RedSpark]

Seems Magenta always have a card under their sleeves. Unless Sprint comes out do 3x carrier aggregation on a 4x4 MIMO their 230 megabits down peak speeds will be yesterday news compared with the 400 peaks Tmobile will deploy commercially. 

 

If somehow in the future Tmobile gets Dish spectrum holdings whether by merger or partnership Sprint  "With our 120mhz of 2.5ghz spectrum we will have an advantage on our competitors"  will become a total irrelevant carrier. 

 

Sprint has the ability to go to 4xCA and 5xCA (and perhaps beyond) on 20 MHz wide channels on its 2.5 GHz spectrum, which it claims to have more than 160 MHz of in the top 100 markets. As far as I know, no other carrier has the ability to do this.

 

This doesn't count Sprint's plans to use even higher frequencies for its network as well. I think there's far more going on at Sprint than we're aware of.

[Johnner1999]

You do realize that All Sprint B41 (not clear obviously) equipment support 4x4 MIMO? and Sprint has it in the cards for next year. So 3XCA(20+20+20)+4x4 MIMO is quite a bit higher than 400mbs...

That's awesome!!!

 

I just wish the historical accomplishments were as awesome....

 

Sprint has the ability to go to 4xCA and 5xCA (and perhaps beyond) on 20 MHz wide channels on its 2.5 GHz spectrum, which it claims to have more than 160 MHz of in the top 100 markets. As far as I know, no other carrier has the ability to do this.

 

This doesn't count Sprint's plans to use even higher frequencies for its network as well. I think there's far more going on at Sprint than we're aware of.

 

But wouldn't that be "WiMAX" 2.0? Meaning that cell phone manufacturers would need to make custom "bands" to handle the CA?

 

As most carriers won't go past 3?

 

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[utiz4321]

Sprint has the ability to go to 4xCA and 5xCA (and perhaps beyond) on 20 MHz wide channels on its 2.5 GHz spectrum, which it claims to have more than 160 MHz of in the top 100 markets. As far as I know, no other carrier has the ability to do this.

 

This doesn't count Sprint's plans to use even higher frequencies for its network as well. I think there's far more going on at Sprint than we're aware of.

The problem with sprint is not with the spectrum sprint has, but with the companies ability to deploy it in a fashion that gains it a competitive advantage. Now, it seems they aren't even staying competitive and that is a problem.

 

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[Paynefanbro]

2 cities testing

 

Vs

 

300 plus live cities current.

 

 

Granted no devices till later in the month. I also Assume tomorrow's iPhone announcements may add to that.

 

Not bashing any carrier btw. Just impressed and showing lack of faith in Sprint.

 

 

 

 

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NYC is one of the "available cities" and 4x4 MIMO is available in less places on T-Mobile than small cells are available on Sprint.

 

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[rackhivee]

The problem with sprint is not with the spectrum sprint has, but with the companies ability to deploy it in a fashion that gains it a competitive advantage. Now, it seems they aren't even staying competitive and that is a problem.

 

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Reading through that reddit thread it seems Tmo is the one trying to stay competitive through their deployment of 4X4 MIMO. Only a few devices are currently capable of even using it so it's not a huge deal until they can move more people to capable handsets. Sounds like a good opportunity to get people to upgrade if they're experiencing slow connections.

 

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[nexgencpu]

The problem with sprint is not with the spectrum sprint has, but with the companies ability to deploy it in a fashion that gains it a competitive advantage. Now, it seems they aren't even staying competitive and that is a problem.

 

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What I have seen is very different, where before T mobile solidified their service in big cities and Sprint was busy deploying and upgrading everywhere. Now the roles are reversed.

 

Now it seems that T mobile is concentrated in network expansion, but at the cost of metro areas being more easily congested (they are spectrum starved to a certain degree so I understand)

 

Where as Sprint has been deploying a ton of infill and extra capacity in cities with a second B25 carrier and expanding to 10x10 where they can. Also adding 3rd B41 carrier and small cells.

 

Bottom line, none of the carriers are standing still. But I'm confident Sprint will be better than fine at the end of the day, Balancing the Sprint budget is a tall order, and I think Marcelo has taken the bulls by the horn and understands what they need to be successful.

[RedSpark]

The problem with sprint is not with the spectrum sprint has, but with the companies ability to deploy it in a fashion that gains it a competitive advantage. Now, it seems they aren't even staying competitive and that is a problem.

 

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Ask Günther about that in the upcoming AMA. This is right in his wheelhouse per his bio.

 

He'll either give you an answer to your satisfaction, or he won't.

[Terrell352]

You do realize that All Sprint B41 (not clear obviously) equipment support 4x4 MIMO? and Sprint has it in the cards for next year. So 3XCA(20+20+20)+4x4 MIMO is quite a bit higher than 400mbs...

Lets not forget 2100 AWS penetrates better than 2500 also Tmobile has more sites capable of 4x4 MIMO than Sprint does. Sprint still has thousands of sites still using 20mhz or less of spectrum 25/26 and no band 41 in site. I don't think small cells or clear equipment are even capable of 4x4 MIMO but correct me if I am wrong.