Fraydog Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Here's a serious question. Did any of the global providers like China Mobile, SoftBank, Optus, KT, SK, Bharti Airtel, and any of the others in the TD-LTE group along with Sprint have the CSFB/eCSFB issues that Sprint is having? I'm really curious here. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilotimz Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Here's a serious question. Did any of the global providers like China Mobile, SoftBank, Optus, KT, SK, Bharti Airtel, and any of the others in the TD-LTE group along with Sprint have the CSFB/eCSFB issues that Sprint is having? I'm really curious here. No. They had previous implementations of csfb or went straight to ecsfb when deploying their lte network. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4GRU Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Substantially complete means that only outliers are remaining to be complete. Outliers meaning sites with characteristics and circumstances that prevent it from being completed with the majority norm. We are nearing Substantial Completion with Network Vision. We are tracking it on a market by market level in the NV Running List section. You will likely see a lot of markets go to Substantially Complete in June and July. Just a handful remaining into August. http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/212-network-visionlte-deployment-running-list/ Robert via Samsung Note 8.0 using Tapatalk Pro 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedub Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Substantially complete means nothing in the areas where ECSFB problems (from recent b26/41 updates) are rampant. They need to seriously need to start ensuring these newer updates don't interfere with existing b25 coverage, as it is taking entire areas back to pre-nv coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utiz4321 Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Substantially complete means that only outliers are remaining to be complete. Outliers meaning sites with characteristics and circumstances that prevent it from being completed with the majority norm. We are nearing Substantial Completion with Network Vision. We are tracking it on a market by market level in the NV Running List section. You will likely see a lot of markets go to Substantially Complete in June and July. Just a handful remaining into August. http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/212-network-visionlte-deployment-running-list/ Robert via Samsung Note 8.0 using Tapatalk Pro Sprint is fudging here. The original NV plaans had 1900 Lte substancially complete, this has changed to 3g substantially complete. Another delay, just one they don't want to declare out loud. It's unforntunate but I believe these delays have been so costly to Sprint that the company now needs the T-Mobile merger to survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4GRU Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Sprint is fudging here. The original NV plaans had 1900 Lte substancially complete, this has changed to 3g substantially complete. Another delay, just one they don't want to declare out loud. It's unforntunate but I believe these delays have been so costly to Sprint that the company now needs the T-Mobile merger to survive. Sprint? I've never heard Sprint say anything about Substantial Completion. I have been the one saying Substantial Completion and others are picking it up. I still have not seen Sprint refer to being Substantially Complete with anything yet. Substantial Completion is a common construction industry term that we use in my business. That being said, when a site has Network Vision upgrades complete, it has all the LTE equipment installed. It just is requiring upgraded backhaul to plug in and voila, you have LTE. When all the physical upgrades are done at a site, the site is NV complete in my opinion. It is complete with NV upgrades. And one day backhaul will arrive and one guy can go out and fire up the LTE in an hour or two. You may not like the term substantial completion. And you may not like that Sprint is nearing Substantial Completion in many markets. But it is happening. And it's real. And whether it is an important milestone or not to you is fine. I'm OK with that. LTE is coming along behind NV complete sites rather quickly here lately though. And Masa is kicking the new network guys right in the most tender part of their derrières. It's happening now as fast it can now. And arguing over the semantics of objective technical terms is rather pointless for all of us. Robert via Nexus 5 using Tapatalk 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utiz4321 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Sprint? I've never heard Sprint say anything about Substantial Completion. I have been the one saying Substantial Completion and others are picking it up. I still have not seen Sprint refer to being Substantially Complete with anything yet. Substantial Completion is a common construction industry term that we use in my business. That being said, when a site has Network Vision upgrades complete, it has all the LTE equipment installed. It just is requiring upgraded backhaul to plug in and voila, you have LTE. When all the physical upgrades are done at a site, the site is NV complete in my opinion. It is complete with NV upgrades. And one day backhaul will arrive and one guy can go out and fire up the LTE in an hour or two. You may not like the term substantial completion. And you may not like that Sprint is nearing Substantial Completion in many markets. But it is happening. And it's real. And whether it is an important milestone or not to you is fine. I'm OK with that. LTE is coming along behind NV complete sites rather quickly here lately though. And Masa is kicking the new network guys right in the most tender part of their derrières. It's happening now as fast it can now. And arguing over the semantics of objective technical terms is rather pointless for all of us. Robert via Nexus 5 using Tapatalk You and Dan Hesse have both been saying substantially complete. Dan since the last quarterly earnings and in several interviews. The problem is Sprint is racking up a bad reputation that is going to take billions to repair at this point and it is largely do to the failure to exicute on the NV plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4GRU Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 You and Dan Hesse have both been saying substantially complete. Dan since the last quarterly earnings and in several interviews. The problem is Sprint is racking up a bad reputation that is going to take billions to repair at this point and it is largely do to the failure to exicute on the NV plan.It is what it is now and Sprint Network Management is working it as fast as they can now with the new leadership and Masa. The past is what it is too. People will do what people will do with their money. It's not going to be easy for Sprint. But there is only forward now. Robert via Nexus 5 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThorson Posted June 17, 2014 Author Share Posted June 17, 2014 So since the event is held in Chicago, I think they will talk about HD Voice and their network and the upgrades. I think it will focus mostly on Spark and how having 3 bands can provide capacity and speed to customers. I think they will also have a demonstration of their network and show the speeds they are getting. I think that would be a good way to advertise the new network. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paynefanbro Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 I hope they announce that they're bundling a certain amount of tethering with their new plans. Maybe 1GB of free tethering on Unlimited Framily Plans. That'd be even more incentive to switch to Framily and/or switch from a different carrier to Sprint. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbolen Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 I hope they announce that they're bundling a certain amount of tethering with their new plans. Maybe 1GB of free tethering on Unlimited Framily Plans. That'd be even more incentive to switch to Framily and/or switch from a different carrier to Sprint. I would be over the moon with any amount of free tethering on an Unlimited Framily plan - even 200MB. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapkoski Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Not to get crazy, could they also announce LTE-Advanced trials in Chicago? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paynefanbro Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Not to get crazy, could they also announce LTE-Advanced trials in Chicago? Maybe, but there are no LTE Advanced capable devices on Sprint yet. Maybe VoLTE trials in certain markets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyallcubes Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Maybe, but there are no LTE Advanced capable devices on Sprint yet. Maybe VoLTE trials in certain markets.Not yet. The g3 could possibly be, I can't remember if it is. If not, I doubt the Note 4 would be either. Possible but unlikely. But Didn't The carriers launch LTE before any smartphones had LTE capabilities ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david279 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Didn't the Sprint G3 hit the FCC today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyallcubes Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Didn't the Sprint G3 hit the FCC today? Havent checked in a few days. But I thought the ATT variant was going to be CA capable. If they do have CA capable sprint g3 I'd would be a hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiWavelength Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Havent checked in a few days. But I thought the ATT variant was going to be CA capable. If they do have CA capable sprint g3 I'd would be a hit. Regarding carrier aggregation, milan03 had a great point a few months ago. Understand that Category 3 LTE basebands do not support greater than 20 MHz FDD/TDD at a time. AT&T carrier aggregation is pairing two 5/10 MHz FDD carriers, so it is not exceeding the 20 MHz limitation. Sprint Spark carrier aggregation will pair multiple 20 MHz TDD carriers, so it must wait for higher category basebands from Qualcomm. And I do not recall if those are available for the LG G3. AJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afazel Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Regarding carrier aggregation, milan03 had a great point a few months ago. Understand that Category 3 LTE basebands do not support greater than 20 MHz FDD/TDD at a time. AT&T carrier aggregation is pairing two 5/10 MHz FDD carriers, so it is not exceeding the 20 MHz limitation. Sprint Spark carrier aggregation will pair multiple 20 MHz TDD carriers, so it must wait for higher category basebands from Qualcomm. And I do not recall if those are available for the LG G3. AJ While that's true, could they not aggregate B25 and B26 to have 10Mhz and 8Mhz FDD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyallcubes Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Regarding carrier aggregation, milan03 had a great point a few months ago. Understand that Category 3 LTE basebands do not support greater than 20 MHz FDD/TDD at a time. AT&T carrier aggregation is pairing two 5/10 MHz FDD carriers, so it is not exceeding the 20 MHz limitation. Sprint Spark carrier aggregation will pair multiple 20 MHz TDD carriers, so it must wait for higher category basebands from Qualcomm. And I do not recall if those are available for the LG G3. AJ well I was thinking the biggest benefit would be pairing multiple PCS carriers to help out in strained areas. According to this site:http://m.gsmarena.com/lg_g3-6294.php The g3 has Cat 4 LTE Edit: supports up too 10mhz b25,b26. And 20mhz for b41 LTE has two tx/Rx antenna and two Rx antenna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanA Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Regarding carrier aggregation, milan03 had a great point a few months ago. Understand that Category 3 LTE basebands do not support greater than 20 MHz FDD/TDD at a time. AT&T carrier aggregation is pairing two 5/10 MHz FDD carriers, so it is not exceeding the 20 MHz limitation. Sprint Spark carrier aggregation will pair multiple 20 MHz TDD carriers, so it must wait for higher category basebands from Qualcomm. And I do not recall if those are available for the LG G3. AJ We won't see 40MHz aggregation until the 805 devices show up. The MDM9x35 modem that can be paired with those has LTE Cat 6. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paynefanbro Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 After watching T-Mobile's event, I can only imagine what Sprint is planning. Sprint is probably adjusting their presentation right now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbolen Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 After watching T-Mobile's event, I can only imagine what Sprint is planning. Sprint is probably adjusting their presentation right now. The Uncarrier 6.0 Net Neutrality mess? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdk Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 After watching T-Mobile's event, I can only imagine what Sprint is planning. Sprint is probably adjusting their presentation right now. What did they announce at their event? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tybo31316 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 What did they announce at their event? #7nightstand test drive their network with an iPhone 5s, music streaming and adding 17million customers since uncarrier 1.0 Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraydog Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 iPhone 5S test drive and music services (lots of them) streaming for free, regardless of data allotment. Also of note, MetroPCS customers were counted in their customer gained statistics. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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