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It may just be a second 5x5 B25 carrier. Need more info to confirm. But good news all the same. Even a second 5x5 carrier will double capacity and speeds.

 

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I was dyslexic oops. Yea its 5x5

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Second B41 carrier officially live in NYC. UARFCN 41276 opposed to the original 39991 carrier.

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Second B41 carrier officially live in NYC. UARFCN 41276 opposed to the original 39991 carrier.

 

Interesting, where in NYC? 

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Staten Island

 

Oh yeah, I thought it was the real NYC  :P

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Oh yeah, I thought it was the real NYC  :P

Come on man LOL

 

Staten Island is the beta testing borough for the telecommunication companies here in NYC.

 

Verizon deployed FIOS Internet  there first back in 2006. IT was TWC first borough to go all-digital killing analog and helping deploy of HD channels at once back in early 2008, it was also one of the first places where Verizon wireless LTE network  was spotted in 2008. 

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Come on man LOL

 

Staten Island is the beta testing borough for the telecommunication companies here in NYC.

 

Verizon deployed FIOS Internet  there first back in 2006. IT was TWC first borough to go all-digital killing analog and helping deploy of HD channels at once back in early 2008, it was also one of the first places where Verizon wireless LTE network  was spotted in 2008. 

 

 

Sort of like Alcatraz,  right? ;)

 

Seriously, did they just move the EARFCN, or have you guys seen both EARFCNs?

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Sort of like Alcatraz, right? ;)

 

Seriously, did they just move the EARFCN, or have you guys seen both EARFCNs?

I see both, 41276 & 39991 is all over the place.

 

Also found 41078 today in Manhattan!

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I see both, 41276 & 39991 is all over the place.

 

Also found 41078 today in Manhattan!

I know it is alot of work and would be easier on android with SCP but can you do a dec2hex on the Cell identity to find the last to numbers 39,3A,3B. So far the screenshots are First Carrier 31,32,33 if it helps sprint B41 should be between 20205568 and 20971520 cell identity for NYC.
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I would say 39991 is going away.  It's range for 20Mhz is 2520.1-2540.1 (assuming the same spectrum over the entire area).

 

2628.8-2648.8 would be 41078,  2648.6-2678.6 is 41276  The .2 "overlap" is typical with second carriers, (ie CA)

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I would say 39991 is going away.  It's range for 20Mhz is 2520.1-2540.1 (assuming the same spectrum over the entire area).

 

2628.8-2648.8 would be 41078,  2648.6-2678.6 is 41276  The .2 "overlap" is typical with second carriers, (ie CA)

 

That's what I was thinking as well. Will keep an eye out for the sites that I walk by.

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This thread just came to my attention and I think I have some to contribute. Here's a list of Sprint DL EARFCN with city and state. There's a few EARFCN and cities not in your list yet.

+------+--------+--------------+------------+--------+-------------------+---------------+
| band | earfcn |      dl freq |    ul freq | name   | city              | state         |
+------+--------+--------------+------------+--------+-------------------+---------------+
|   25 |   8109 |      1936.90 |    1856.90 | Sprint | Fountain Valley   | California    |
|   25 |   8109 |      1936.90 |    1856.90 | Sprint | Westminster       | California    |
|   25 |   8109 |      1936.90 |    1856.90 | Sprint | Escondido         | California    |
|   25 |   8109 |      1936.90 |    1856.90 | Sprint | San Diego         | California    |
|   25 |   8109 |      1936.90 |    1856.90 | Sprint | Lemon Grove       | California    |
|   25 |   8109 |      1936.90 |    1856.90 | Sprint | Midway City       | California    |
|   25 |   8109 |      1936.90 |    1856.90 | Sprint | Cerritos          | California    |
|   25 |   8109 |      1936.90 |    1856.90 | Sprint | Los Nietos        | California    |
|   25 |   8109 |      1936.90 |    1856.90 | Sprint | El Monte          | California    |
|   25 |   8365 |      1962.50 |    1882.50 | Sprint | Livonia           | Michigan      |
|   25 |   8365 |      1962.50 |    1882.50 | Sprint | Farmington        | Michigan      |
|   25 |   8365 |      1962.50 |    1882.50 | Sprint | Farmington Hills  | Michigan      |
|   25 |   8365 |      1962.50 |    1882.50 | Sprint | Walled Lake       | Michigan      |
|   25 |   8365 |      1962.50 |    1882.50 | Sprint | Novi              | Michigan      |
|   25 |   8640 |      1990.00 |    1910.00 | Sprint | Medina            | Washington    |
|   25 |   8640 |      1990.00 |    1910.00 | Sprint | Lake Forest Park  | Washington    |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Jacksonville      | Florida       |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Neptune Beach     | Florida       |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Ponte Vedra       | Florida       |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Chuluota          | Florida       |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Oviedo            | Florida       |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Flagler Beach     | Florida       |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | North Palm Coast  | Florida       |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Elkton            | Florida       |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | San Diego         | California    |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Jackson Heights   | New York      |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Rincon            | Puerto Rico   |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Corona            | New York      |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Pasadena          | California    |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Altadena          | California    |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Duarte            | California    |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Lake Mary         | Florida       |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | El Monte          | California    |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Ashburn           | Virginia      |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Sterling          | Virginia      |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Costa Mesa        | California    |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Fountain Valley   | California    |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Westminster       | California    |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Potomac Falls     | Virginia      |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Escondido         | California    |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Emeryville        | California    |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | San Francisco     | California    |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Lemon Grove       | California    |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Midway City       | California    |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Stanton           | California    |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Tampa             | Florida       |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Livonia           | Michigan      |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Farmington        | Michigan      |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Novi              | Michigan      |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Farmington Hills  | Michigan      |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | St Augustine      | Florida       |
|   25 |   8665 |      1992.50 |    1912.50 | Sprint | Holly Hill        | Florida       |
|   26 |   8763 |       866.30 |     821.30 | Sprint | Jacksonville      | Florida       |
|   26 |   8763 |       866.30 |     821.30 | Sprint | Neptune Beach     | Florida       |
|   26 |   8763 |       866.30 |     821.30 | Sprint | Ponte Vedra       | Florida       |
|   26 |   8763 |       866.30 |     821.30 | Sprint | North Palm Coast  | Florida       |
|   26 |   8763 |       866.30 |     821.30 | Sprint | Elkton            | Florida       |
|   26 |   8763 |       866.30 |     821.30 | Sprint | St Augustine      | Florida       |
|   26 |   8763 |       866.30 |     821.30 | Sprint | Tampa             | Florida       |
|   26 |   8763 |       866.30 |     821.30 | Sprint | Oviedo            | Florida       |
|   26 |   8763 |       866.30 |     821.30 | Sprint | Emeryville        | California    |
|   26 |   8763 |       866.30 |     821.30 | Sprint | San Francisco     | California    |
|   26 |   8763 |       866.30 |     821.30 | Sprint | Sterling          | Virginia      |
|   26 |   8763 |       866.30 |     821.30 | Sprint | Milwaukie         | Oregan        |
|   26 |   8763 |       866.30 |     821.30 | Sprint | Norwood           | Massachusetts |
|   26 |   8763 |       866.30 |     821.30 | Sprint | Farmers Branch    | Texas         |
|   26 |   8763 |       866.30 |     821.30 | Sprint | Atlantic Beach    | Florida       |
|   26 |   8763 |       866.30 |     821.30 | Sprint | Flagler Beach     | Florida       |
|   26 |   8763 |       866.30 |     821.30 | Sprint | Sanford           | Florida       |
|   26 |   8763 |       866.30 |     821.30 | Sprint | Chuluota          | Florida       |
|   41 |  39826 |      2513.60 |    2513.60 | Sprint | Ashburg           | Virginia      |
|   41 |  39826 |      2513.60 |    2513.60 | Sprint | Sterling          | Virginia      |
|   41 |  39826 |      2513.60 |    2513.60 | Sprint | Ashburn           | Virginia      |
|   41 |  39826 |      2513.60 |    2513.60 | Sprint | Potomac Falls     | Virginia      |
|   41 |  39858 |      2516.80 |    2516.80 | Sprint | Farmers Branch    | Texas         |
|   41 |  39858 |      2516.80 |    2516.80 | Sprint | Dallas            | Texas         |
|   41 |  39926 |      2523.60 |    2523.60 | Sprint | Tampa             | Florida       |
|   41 |  39926 |      2523.60 |    2523.60 | Sprint | Belle Isle        | Florida       |
|   41 |  39926 |      2523.60 |    2523.60 | Sprint | Chuluota          | Florida       |
|   41 |  40056 |      2536.60 |    2536.60 | Sprint | San Francisco     | California    |
|   41 |  40056 |      2536.60 |    2536.60 | Sprint | Dallas            | Texas         |
|   41 |  40124 |      2543.40 |    2543.40 | Sprint | Longwood          | Florida       |
|   41 |  40124 |      2543.40 |    2543.40 | Sprint | Sanford           | Florida       |
|   41 |  40124 |      2543.40 |    2543.40 | Sprint | Lake Mary         | Florida       |
|   41 |  40124 |      2543.40 |    2543.40 | Sprint | Tampa             | Florida       |
|   41 |  40124 |      2543.40 |    2543.40 | Sprint | Belle Isle        | Florida       |
|   41 |  40124 |      2543.40 |    2543.40 | Sprint | Chuluota          | Florida       |
|   41 |  40124 |      2543.40 |    2543.40 | Sprint | Oviedo            | Florida       |
|   41 |  40254 |      2556.40 |    2556.40 | Sprint | San Francisco     | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Jacksonville      | Florida       |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Burbank           | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Pasadena          | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Altadena          | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Glendale          | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Highland Park     | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | San Marino        | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Monrovia          | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Duarte            | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Los Nietos        | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Pico Rivera       | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | San Diego         | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Arcadia           | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | South El Monte    | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | El Monte          | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Cerritos          | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Artesia           | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Costa Mesa        | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Fountain Valley   | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Neptune Beach     | Florida       |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Richmond Heights  | Missouri      |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | San Antonio       | Texas         |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Lemon Grove       | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Eagle Point       | Oregan        |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | White City        | Oregan        |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Midway City       | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Hawaiian Gardens  | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Santa Fe Springs  | California    |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Ponte Vedra Beach | Florida       |
|   41 |  40978 |      2628.80 |    2628.80 | Sprint | Ormond Beach      | Florida       |
|   41 |  41176 |      2648.60 |    2648.60 | Sprint | Jacksonville      | Florida       |
|   41 |  41176 |      2648.60 |    2648.60 | Sprint | San Diego         | California    |
|   41 |  41176 |      2648.60 |    2648.60 | Sprint | Los Alamitos      | California    |
|   41 |  41176 |      2648.60 |    2648.60 | Sprint | Escondido         | California    |
|   41 |  41176 |      2648.60 |    2648.60 | Sprint | San Antonio       | Texas         |
|   41 |  41176 |      2648.60 |    2648.60 | Sprint | Lemon Grove       | California    |
|   41 |  41176 |      2648.60 |    2648.60 | Sprint | Livonia           | Michigan      |
|   41 |  41176 |      2648.60 |    2648.60 | Sprint | Eagle Point       | Oregan        |
|   41 |  41176 |      2648.60 |    2648.60 | Sprint | White City        | Oregan        |
|   41 |  41176 |      2648.60 |    2648.60 | Sprint | Costa Mesa        | California    |
|   41 |  41176 |      2648.60 |    2648.60 | Sprint | Fountain Valley   | California    |
|   41 |  41176 |      2648.60 |    2648.60 | Sprint | Midway City       | California    |
|   41 |  41176 |      2648.60 |    2648.60 | Sprint | Stanton           | California    |
|   41 |  41176 |      2648.60 |    2648.60 | Sprint | Lakewood          | California    |
|   41 |  41176 |      2648.60 |    2648.60 | Sprint | Los Nietos        | California    |
|   41 |  41176 |      2648.60 |    2648.60 | Sprint | El Monte          | California    |
|   41 |  41176 |      2648.60 |    2648.60 | Sprint | Duarte            | California    |
|   41 |  41176 |      2648.60 |    2648.60 | Sprint | Monrovia          | California    |
|   41 |  41176 |      2648.60 |    2648.60 | Sprint | Arc               | California    |

This data is possible because LTE Discovery has a crowdsourcing feature that many users have enabled. And, we're able to extract EARFCN from many devices. (Disclaimer: I'm the developer of LTE Discovery app along with SpenceSouth). This data is what has been gathered in the past week.

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This thread just came to my attention and I think I have some to contribute. Here's a list of Sprint DL EARFCN with city and state. There's a few EARFCN and cities not in your list yet.

 

We will continue to add new EARFCNs.  But we no longer will track cities for band 41 EARFCNs.  That was news in 2014 when a band 41 second carrier popped up in a few markets.  Now, it is commonplace.  However, we still will track markets/cities for band 25 EARFCNs to help identify second carriers and 10 MHz FDD bandwidth expansions.

 

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Second B41 carrier officially live in NYC. UARFCN 41276 opposed to the original 39991 carrier.

Awesome. :)

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c347d57db507fc20c6bf50c32b2d0632.jpg

Snagged this on my way to work along 1604. Looks to have been mentioned back in December, but it hasn't made the list at the beginning of the post

 

 

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This was a surprise this morning outside New Paris, Ohio

 

https://goo.gl/photos/RZYi3ZWDEP5h6PtQ6

Wow, can you duplicate that and get some engineering screeshots?

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Hmm, I would have thought Fredericksburg to be in the Austin BTA, hence the Dallas-Ft. Worth MTA.  But if this is PCS A block, then it is not Dallas-Ft. Worth MTA, as that is PCS B block for Sprint.  You could cross reference the county in the FCC ULS database, but it looks like Fredericksburg must be in the San Antonio MTA, which is PCS A block for Sprint.

 

AJ

I normally just troll here, but I figured I would finally sign up and share a little.

So, the MTA 33 (San Antonio) includes Gillespie cty, which I think is in BTA 401. They are A block, G block, SMR and a whole host of band 41 spectrum. Austin is somewhat goofy as a market (as far as sprint markets go with spectrum), some parts Sprint owns C block, which butts up against G block. AUS is included in the DFW MTA, but there are a TON of BTAs in north Texas, so spectrum can vary from cty to cty. Some states have pretty much the same spectrum ownership in every BTA. For example, almost all of Florida is a 7 carrier market (in terms of legacy CDMA spectrum). However, around Orlando there's a little more spectrum to spread around. With all of that drivel, I could have easily just said that Gillespie is in the San Antonio MTA, but spectrum holdings are normally related to BTA. A couple maps below that might be fun for some of  you other geeks.  

 

http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/data/maps/mta.pdf

http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/data/maps/bta.pdf

 

As far as guard band goes, there are some differences in opinion. They say if you butt TDD and FDD next to each other you need a full 5Mhz, and two consecutive (and equally timed) carriers need no guard band. That second statement makes me laugh, because if you own those two slots, then you just up the size of your carrier, right? For example, if C block opens up in Austin, the plan should be to roll into a 10Mhz carrier rather than having a second 5Mhz carrier, right? One big carrier is more efficient than two 5Mhz carriers.

 

As far as guard bands go, typically, a carrier will own a full block of PCS band. The frequency planning should take into consideration the spread needed. However, the carriers usually have an agreement to not use the bottom carrier in a block in order to keep it clean for the other guys. For example, in the B block markets the carriers on CDMA will start with burning the 400 carrier, and FA1 will be 425. The last carrier that will be used is 675. If you're A block, you don't use "0", you start at 25 and work your way up.

 

As far as the 15x15 reference goes, it's best to term the current usable spectrum as 5+5+5 FDD. They are non-contiguous and one of them is out of band. They won't Aggregate at the moment, so they aren't mashed together to allow for a single big carrier.

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c347d57db507fc20c6bf50c32b2d0632.jpg

Snagged this on my way to work along 1604. Looks to have been mentioned back in December, but it hasn't made the list at the beginning of the post

 

 

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San Antonio started turning up the second PCS carrier back in November, you start in rural areas just in case something is jacked. :)

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Just came across a 3rd EARFCN for B41 in LA Metro:  40254.  This happened to be from a Clear site.

 

Add that to the existing 40978 & 41176.

 

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Just came across a 3rd EARFCN for B41 in LA Metro: 40254. This happened to be from a Clear site.

 

Add that to the existing 40978 & 41176.

 

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Doesn't that overlap with 41176?

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Doesn't that overlap with 41176?

 

 

My math could be wrong, but here's what I get for the center frequencies for those channels:

 

40254 = 2556.4 MHz

 

41176 = 2648.6 MHz

 

And looking at the band plan in the link below it doesn't look like they're next to each other.

http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/entry-360-whats-the-frequency-kenneth-interpreting-your-engineering-screen-part-three/

 

But hey, I'm more on the creative side, so maybe someone good with numbers can give us the real answer.

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My math could be wrong, but here's what I get for the center frequencies for those channels:

 

40254 = 2556.4 MHz

 

41176 = 2648.6 MHz

 

And looking at the band plan in the link below it doesn't look like they're next to each other.

http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/entry-360-whats-the-frequency-kenneth-interpreting-your-engineering-screen-part-three/

 

But hey, I'm more on the creative side, so maybe someone good with numbers can give us the real answer.

Those numbers are correct. That's why I was confused. With 20mhz carriers, they overlap.

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Those numbers are correct. That's why I was confused. With 20mhz carriers, they overlap.

 

No, they do not overlap.  Look at the center frequencies.  Are you missing that they are almost 100 MHz apart?  One is in the 2500 MHz range, the other in the 2600 MHz range.

 

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No, they do not overlap. Look at the center frequencies. Are you missing that they are almost 100 MHz apart? One is in the 2500 MHz range, the other in the 2600 MHz range.

 

AJ

I am literally so stupid sometimes

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