linhpham2 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 I highly doubt that it will make it outside of metro and the surrounding suburban areas. Beyond those areas, it's really not needed as 1900 and 800 should be more than sufficient. I meant the towers in the major urban areas and surburbs. Don't really care about the rural towns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkoellerwx Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 I meant the towers in the major urban areas and surburbs. Don't really care about the rural towns In that case, I think we will see something like that happen. It sounds like most major metros, most top markets even should see the 2500 LTE rollout. Whether it's on every tower, or how that works, I'm not sure we know that at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven800 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Yeah I think that LTE on 800mhz and 1900mhz is good enough for the smaller cities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ab30494 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 The key for successful 2.5 TD-LTE deployment and really make use of the spectrum and an impact on the overall Sprint network is to expand the TD-LTE footprint to at least the top 100 markets in the metro areas which means beyond the current Wimax markets. This is my hope for Son and Sprint to spend the necessary capex to accomplish this. is there a list of the top 100 markets anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkoellerwx Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 is there a list of the top 100 markets anywhere I don't know. My version of market size is likely different than the way Sprint sees it, but this is how I categorize the top 100 markets. http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiWavelength Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 I don't know. My version of market size is likely different than the way Sprint sees it, but this is how I categorize the top 100 markets. http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets Springfield, MO is somehow number 74??? Oh, I see why you like that list... AJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkoellerwx Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Springfield, MO is somehow number 74??? Oh, I see why you like that list... AJ Yeah..... that's one of the odd ones. There's a million people in the viewing area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiWavelength Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Yeah..... that's one of the odd ones. There's a million people in the viewing area I could crack a joke about how many of them actually have "one of them newfangled 'piture boxes'," but I will keep it focused on the objective info. I suspect that the Springfield TV market is quite expansive. On this side of the border, the Wichita-Hutchinson TV market, for example, occupies basically the western two thirds of Kansas. Many repeater/translator stations. AJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ab30494 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 found this list, though it is based off the 2000 census Check out Appendix D from this document on the FCC's Website:http://ftp.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Ca...1/fcc01362.docA. 100 Largest MSAs and Their Populations: Year 2000 Census1. New York--Northern New Jersey--Long Island, NY--NJ--CT--PA CMSA21,199,8652. Los Angeles--Riverside--Orange County, CA CMSA16,373,6453. Chicago--Gary--Kenosha, IL--IN--WI CMSA9,157,5404. Washington--Baltimore, DC--MD--VA--WV CMSA7,608,0705. San Francisco--Oakland--San Jose, CA CMSA7,039,3626. Philadelphia--Wilmington--Atlantic City, PA--NJ--DE--MD CMSA6,188,4637. Boston--Worcester--Lawrence, MA--NH--ME--CT CMSA5,819,1008. Detroit--Ann Arbor--Flint, MI CMSA5,456,4289. Dallas--Fort Worth, TX CMSA5,221,80110. Houston--Galveston--Brazoria, TX CMSA4,669,57111. Atlanta, GA MSA4,112,19812. Miami--Fort Lauderdale, FL CMSA3,876,38013. Seattle--Tacoma--Bremerton, WA CMSA3,554,76014. Phoenix--Mesa, AZ MSA3,251,87615. Minneapolis--St. Paul, MN--WI MSA2,968,80616. Cleveland--Akron, OH CMSA2,945,83117. San Diego, CA MSA2,813,83318. St. Louis, MO--IL MSA2,603,60719. Denver--Boulder--Greeley, CO CMSA2,581,50620. San Juan--Caguas--Arecibo, PR CMSA2,450,29221. Tampa--St. Petersburg--Clearwater, FL MSA2,395,99722. Pittsburgh, PA MSA2,358,69523. Portland--Salem, OR--WA CMSA2,265,22324. Cincinnati--Hamilton, OH--KY--IN CMSA1,979,20225. Sacramento--Yolo, CA CMSA1,796,85726. Kansas City, MO--KS MSA1,776,06227. Milwaukee--Racine, WI CMSA1,689,57228. Orlando, FL MSA1,644,56129. Indianapolis, IN MSA1,607,48630. San Antonio, TX MSA1,592,38331. Norfolk--Virginia Beach--Newport News, VA--NC MSA1,569,54132. Las Vegas, NV--AZ MSA1,563,28233. Columbus, OH MSA1,540,15734. Charlotte--Gastonia--Rock Hill, NC--SC MSA1,499,29335. New Orleans, LA MSA1,337,72636. Salt Lake City--Ogden, UT MSA1,333,91437. Greensboro--Winston-Salem--High Point, NC MSA1,251,50938. Austin--San Marcos, TX MSA1,249,76339. Nashville, TN MSA1,231,31140. Providence--Fall River--Warwick, RI--MA MSA1,188,61341. Raleigh--Durham--Chapel Hill, NC MSA1,187,94142. Hartford, CT MSA1,183,11043. Buffalo--Niagara Falls, NY MSA1,170,11144. Memphis, TN--AR--MS MSA1,135,61445. West Palm Beach--Boca Raton, FL MSA1,131,18446. Jacksonville, FL MSA1,100,49147. Rochester, NY MSA1,098,20148. Grand Rapids--Muskegon--Holland, MI MSA1,088,51449. Oklahoma City, OK MSA1,083,34650. Louisville, KY--IN MSA1,025,59851. Richmond--Petersburg, VA MSA996,51252. Greenville--Spartanburg--Anderson, SC MSA962,44153. Dayton--Springfield, OH MSA950,55854. Fresno, CA MSA922,51655. Birmingham, AL MSA921,10656. Honolulu, HI MSA876,15657. Albany--Schenectady--Troy, NY MSA875,58358. Tucson, AZ MSA843,74659. Tulsa, OK MSA803,23560. Syracuse, NY MSA732,11761. Omaha, NE--IA MSA716,99862. Albuquerque, NM MSA712,73863. Knoxville, TN MSA687,24964. El Paso, TX MSA679,62265. Bakersfield, CA MSA661,64566. Allentown--Bethlehem--Easton, PA MSA637,95867. Harrisburg--Lebanon--Carlisle, PA MSA629,40168. Scranton--Wilkes-Barre--Hazleton, PA MSA624,77669. Toledo, OH MSA618,20370. Baton Rouge, LA MSA602,89471. Youngstown--Warren, OH MSA594,74672. Springfield, MA MSA591,93273. Sarasota--Bradenton, FL MSA589,95974. Little Rock--North Little Rock, AR MSA583,84575. McAllen--Edinburg--Mission, TX MSA569,46376. Stockton--Lodi, CA MSA563,59877. Charleston--North Charleston, SC MSA549,03378. Wichita, KS MSA545,22079. Mobile, AL MSA540,25880. Columbia, SC MSA536,69181. Colorado Springs, CO MSA516,92982. Fort Wayne, IN MSA502,14183. Daytona Beach, FL MSA493,17584. Lakeland--Winter Haven, FL MSA483,92485. Johnson City--Kingsport--Bristol, TN--VA MSA480,09186. Lexington, KY MSA479,19887. Augusta--Aiken, GA--SC MSA477,44188. Melbourne--Titusville--Palm Bay, FL MSA476,23089. Lancaster, PA MSA470,65890. Chattanooga, TN--GA MSA465,16191. Des Moines, IA MSA456,02292. Kalamazoo--Battle Creek, MI MSA452,85193. Lansing--East Lansing, MI MSA447,72894. Modesto, CA MSA446,99795. Fort Myers--Cape Coral, FL MSA440,88896. Jackson, MS MSA440,80197. Boise City, ID MSA432,34598. Madison, WI MSA426,52699. Spokane, WA MSA417,939100. Pensacola, FL MSA412,153Read more: http://cellphoneforums.net/alt-cellular-cingular/t87328-top-100-cellular-markets.html#ixzz2ZdXxRaUJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkoellerwx Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 I could crack a joke about how many of them actually have "one of them newfangled 'piture boxes'," but I will keep it focused on the objective info. I suspect that the Springfield TV market is quite expansive. On this side of the border, the Wichita-Hutchinson TV market, for example, occupies basically the western two thirds of Kansas. Many repeater/translator stations.AJ Springfield is one of the smallest, top 100 market cities that has so many people residing outside of the main focal point of the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiWavelength Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 David, David, living in Missouri for so long, it is starting to rub off on you. You are forgetting your Kansas roots. Springfield is one of the smallest, top 100 market cities that has so many people residing outside of the main focal point of the market. I seem to recall that we had this discussion once before. Your station's call sign is KRBK, correct? And it has multiple, on channel repeaters. I think that is somewhat unusual for 8-VSB DTV. AJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkoellerwx Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 David, David, living in Missouri for so long, it is starting to rub off on you. You are forgetting your Kansas roots. Not in the least. And I'm from Colorado. So there. I seem to recall that we had this discussion once before. Your station's call sign is KRBK, correct? And it has multiple, on channel repeaters. I think that is somewhat unusual for 8-VSB DTV.AJ Yes, we have 5 transmitters, only because the FCC wouldn't grant us a license to build/borrow a big enough tower to cover the whole region like the other channels. Only one other station uses the system we use, and I was told that they actually stopped using it recently. Umm. Oh yeah. Clear. Sprint. 2500 LTE. Something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiWavelength Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Umm. Oh yeah. Clear. Sprint. 2500 LTE. Something like that. Okay, with its five transmitters, your station is employing unity frequency reuse. I am curious if Clearwire TD-LTE 2600 will do so or if the TD-LTE 2600 carrier will vary in EARFCN by site/sector. Alright, we are back on topic... AJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_gusto Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 So sprint is gonna keep all these clear sites that are launching 2600? I thought they were gonna sell off clear sites when wimax was shutdown in a couple of years? Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 4 Beta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkoellerwx Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Okay, with its five transmitters, your station is employing unity frequency reuse. I am curious if Clearwire TD-LTE 2600 will do so or if the TD-LTE 2600 carrier will vary in EARFCN by site/sector. Alright, we are back on topic... AJ Since they use the same signal, we've got some serious dead zones, not even 10 miles outside of town. It really sucks, and there's nothing we can do about it. Hopefully Clear doesn't run into that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkoellerwx Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 So sprint is gonna keep all these clear sites that are launching 2600? I thought they were gonna sell off clear sites when wimax was shutdown in a couple of years? Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 4 Beta If they got LTE, I'd imagine they're staying. There may be some that they elected not to put LTE on, which may get removed whenever WiMax is actually shut down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_gusto Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Was that the plan all along? Would it be safe to assume that they may put 800 and 1900 lte on those clear sites one day? Does anyone know where sprint and clear co-locate on the same sites in those cities that are currently launching 2600 lte? Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 4 Beta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkoellerwx Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Was that the plan all along? Would it be safe to assume that they may put 800 and 1900 lte on those clear sites one day? Does anyone know where sprint and clear co-locate on the same sites in those cities that are currently launching 2600 lte? Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 4 Beta Clear shows it's towers on it's coverage maps. And you have access to the our Sprint ones, match 'em up? As far as putting 1900 or 800 on Clear sites, probably not. Unless they really need the capacity, any Clear site that isn't already a Sprint site would probably be redundant coverage in the area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_gusto Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Yeah i guess I meant putting 800/1900 on clear sites where there is no native sprint coverage. So basically sprint wimax users who complained about losing wimax when they went to lte, are gonna get 4g back. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 4 Beta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkoellerwx Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Yeah i guess I meant putting 800/1900 on clear sites where there is no native sprint coverage. So basically sprint wimax users who complained about losing wimax when they went to lte, are gonna get 4g back. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 4 Beta I don't believe there is any official WiMax coverage where there is not already Sprint coverage. I don't think they'll be touching the protection sites for the time being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4GRU Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Was that the plan all along? Would it be safe to assume that they may put 800 and 1900 lte on those clear sites one day? Does anyone know where sprint and clear co-locate on the same sites in those cities that are currently launching 2600 lte? Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 4 Beta 40% of Clearwire sites are colocated on the same site with Sprint. Eventually these will all be decommissioned at rolled into Network Vision at a minimum. The other 60% will have to be evaluated whether they are redundant ton the Sprint network or provide additional coverage. I imagine a lot of Clearwire sites will be decommissioned to save money. Especially in places where it is completely redundant. Robert from Note 2 using Tapatalk 4 Beta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_gusto Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 The other 60% will have to be evaluated whether they are redundant ton the Sprint network or provide additional coverage. Robert from Note 2 using Tapatalk 4 Beta So in places where they do provide additional coverage, do you think they'll add 800/1900 to the clear site? Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 4 Beta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4GRU Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 So in places where they do provide additional coverage, do you think they'll add 800/1900 to the clear site? Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 4 Beta It's too early to say. But I think that under SoftBank, there's a good chance of converting Clearwire sites that would expand the Sprint network coverage or density (where needed) to Network Vision 800/1900. Robert from Note 2 using Tapatalk 4 Beta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_gusto Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Interesting times. Can't wait for the phones. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 4 Beta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaQue Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 40% of Clearwire sites are colocated on the same site with Sprint. Eventually these will all be decommissioned at rolled into Network Vision at a minimum. The other 60% will have to be evaluated whether they are redundant ton the Sprint network or provide additional coverage. I imagine a lot of Clearwire sites will be decommissioned to save money. Especially in places where it is completely redundant. Robert from Note 2 using Tapatalk 4 Beta The huge tower 300 yards from my door has both Sprint and Clearwire on it. The next up the road is Clearwire on a large tower behind the grocery store and Sprint on a billboard in front of the store. Sounds like a chance to save some money there somewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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