Danielj1981 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 i have an iphone5 but have not had the joyous experience of LTE, so when the I5 gets LTE does it show two sets of signal bars or the bars just now represent LTE not 1x, thanks No man, I had lte on my i5 in Charlotte and it just changes the 3G symbol to LTE in box type writing. But the phone becomes laser fast!!! It is sooooo awesome! Sent from my iPhone 5 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkoellerwx Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 i have an iphone5 but have not had the joyous experience of LTE, so when the I5 gets LTE does it show two sets of signal bars or the bars just now represent LTE not 1x, thanks Same set of bars, just shows LTE instead of 3G. iPhone shows the signal level of the "best" (if you will) signal that you have. (1x, EVDO, LTE) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielj1981 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 i have an iphone5 but have not had the joyous experience of LTE, so when the I5 gets LTE does it show two sets of signal bars or the bars just now represent LTE not 1x, thanks Here ya go man. This is what to expect. Sent from my iPhone 5 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielj1981 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Same set of bars, just shows LTE instead of 3G. iPhone shows the signal level of the "best" (if you will) signal that you have. (1x, EVDO, LTE) Hey man if I private message you a pic can you give me a break down of what's on the tower and who it belongs too? Sent from my iPhone 5 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmattox79 Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 oh man! i cant wait. i know ppl will compare big reds LTE getting 30mbps but 14mbps is amazing to me and what do i even need speeds that fast for, that awesome i cant wait, my home internet is 25 down and i dont even need that 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halcyoncmdr Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 oh man! i cant wait. i know ppl will compare big reds LTE getting 30mbps but 14mbps is amazing to me and what do i even need speeds that fast for, that awesome i cant wait, my home internet is 25 down and i dont even need that This is what a lot of people don't seem to get. They just see bigger numbers and think it's better. That doesn't necessarily mean it is more stable, more consistent, etc. It's all about e-peen size when it comes to speed tests. The average user doesn't need much more than 1Mbps on 3G, and 5Mbps on 4G for what they expect as far as speed is concerned. These numbers are probably high even, for most users. Latency is what you actually think of when you think speed. How long it takes to load after you click a link. You can have a 30Mbps connection but a 500ms latency and your connection will feel extremely slow, because it literally is taking half a second before your click even registers anything due to that latency. One of Network Vision's requirements is sub-100ms latency on all upgraded towers. For reference, 100ms is roughly where a person can start to detect the lag, hence why anything less than 100ms is good for gaming for instance, the lower the better. Even with a slower connection, it will feel much faster if the latency is lower. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4GRU Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 This is what a lot of people don't seem to get. They just see bigger numbers and think it's better. That doesn't necessarily mean it is more stable, more consistent, etc. It's all about e-peen size when it comes to speed tests. The average user doesn't need much more than 1Mbps on 3G, and 5Mbps on 4G for what they expect as far as speed is concerned. These numbers are probably high even, for most users. Latency is what you actually think of when you think speed. How long it takes to load after you click a link. You can have a 30Mbps connection but a 500ms latency and your connection will feel extremely slow, because it literally is taking half a second before your click even registers anything due to that latency. One of Network Vision's requirements is sub-100ms latency on all upgraded towers. For reference, 100ms is roughly where a person can start to detect the lag, hence why anything less than 100ms is good for gaming for instance, the lower the better. Even with a slower connection, it will feel much faster if the latency is lower. One of the best descriptions of ping ever! Good post. Robert via Nexus 7 with Tapatalk HD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digiblur Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 They way I explain latency to the satellite internet folks is imagine watering your garden with a 20 foot hose and a 500 foot hose. Drain the hose and turn it on. It's the same amount of flow but it takes a lot longer to get to the other end when it is turned on. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4ginnc Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 When it comes to requiring sub-100ms latency, how much of that time is taken up in the air between the phone and the tower? I understand it will vary depending on distance from the tower, but just assuming some longer distances for rural towers (say 3-5 miles for selfish reasons ) how much lower than 100ms would the backhaul latency need to be to account for travel to/from the tower? (That would seem to be the slowest part of the path to me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommym65 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 When it comes to requiring sub-100ms latency, how much of that time is taken up in the air between the phone and the tower? I understand it will vary depending on distance from the tower, but just assuming some longer distances for rural towers (say 3-5 miles for selfish reasons ) how much lower than 100ms would the backhaul latency need to be to account for travel to/from the tower? (That would seem to be the slowest part of the path to me) Very crudely, radio waves travel approximately 1 foot per nanosecond. Therefore, a 5-mile transit would take approximately 26,000 nanoseconds (0.026 milliseconds) each way. For all practical purposes, distance to and from the cell site has no effect on latency/ping in mobile telephony. If anyone has more precise measurements, please chip in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmattox79 Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 Not why I started this topic but I did get my answer and the conversation now is great I'm learning a whole lot, keep it going 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmattox79 Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 @Halcyoncmdr definitely steady 1mbps on 3G and a steady 4-5 on LTE is great with sub 100 latency bring it on and keep it goin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraydog Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 I can detect lag at almost 50 ms. I'm way more of a latency freak than speed freak. I'd take 50 ms at 10 mbps over 100 ms at 20 mbps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strumgewr Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 That's the way it seems! I prefer it that way! The whole choppy move your head this way, hold your phone that way, does not work for me! Hopefully the NV 1.0 will bring me pretty stable LTE and NV 2.0 will give me my in building voice! Fingers crossed! Patience in Charleston. Sent from my iPhone 5 using Tapatalk You should definitely get better in building coverage after NV. Now in terms of LTE, you may or may not get that in buildings. Due to the more fragile air link, LTE will drop at low signal levels, even on 800 mhz. On at&t for example, I've had LTE drop a couple miles away from the tower outside, with trees inbetween me and the tower and switch the HSPA+ on 1900 mhz. If it wasn't for the increase in efficiency, capacity, and speed; LTE would seem like a downgrade from older technologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4GRU Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 The latency over the airlink portion has more to do with channel/sector saturation and quality of signal. Distance is not really a factor. Although distance can affect quality. Robert via Nexus 7 with Tapatalk HD 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionmaster2000 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 This is what a lot of people don't seem to get. They just see bigger numbers and think it's better. That doesn't necessarily mean it is more stable, more consistent, etc. It's all about e-peen size when it comes to speed tests. The average user doesn't need much more than 1Mbps on 3G, and 5Mbps on 4G for what they expect as far as speed is concerned. These numbers are probably high even, for most users. Latency is what you actually think of when you think speed. How long it takes to load after you click a link. You can have a 30Mbps connection but a 500ms latency and your connection will feel extremely slow, because it literally is taking half a second before your click even registers anything due to that latency. One of Network Vision's requirements is sub-100ms latency on all upgraded towers. For reference, 100ms is roughly where a person can start to detect the lag, hence why anything less than 100ms is good for gaming for instance, the lower the better. Even with a slower connection, it will feel much faster if the latency is lower. I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionmaster2000 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 One of the best descriptions of ping ever! Good post. Robert via Nexus 7 with Tapatalk HD Well said and very true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiWavelength Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 One of the best descriptions of ping ever! Good post. Ah, but that tells only half the story. What about the pong? While I have never owned a ping pong table, I happen to be an excellent left handed player -- even though I am a strong tennis player right handed. And I have vanquished many a friend who had a table at home. So, if you really want to know the whole ping and pong equation, you must challenge me. AJ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tajustin95 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 When will Sprint be done with all there new rebuild? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryry4ya Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 When will Sprint be done with all there new rebuild?2015 Sent from my HTCONE using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBZfan Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I live where a tower is located, but I don't see a tower, but antenna looking things in four corners of the building. I cant identify what these are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilotimz Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I live where a tower is located, but I don't see a tower, but antenna looking things in four corners of the building. I cant identify what these are? http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/1704-frequently-asked-questions/ http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/3906-how-to-spot-sprint-antennas-and-rrus-samsung/ - Legacy Sprint antenna left & NV Sprint antenna right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBZfan Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 So Sprint Legacy network get turned off when NV goes live? So the antenna is 1.0? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilotimz Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 So Sprint Legacy network get turned off when NV goes live? So the antenna is 1.0? Nowadays that is a yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBZfan Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Oh ok! So if there's still a older Sprint Legacy antenna on the tower, it means the tower isn't upgraded yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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