Jump to content

Apple needs to be stopped smh


Adrian28
 Share

Recommended Posts

Apple and its doings are an ever-present symbol of the drawbacks to our economic and political system. Reform is impossible with our political system of bureacrats deeply entrenched in a vestigial structures holding them in place. Unless something shakes up or destroys this structure, we're going to have to continue to deal with this type of corporate strong arming and the foolish patent wars.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It was already shown in a court of law that Samsung blatantly infringed on apple and that it wasn't by accident but rather by systematic efforts to willfully steal from apple. For all the Samsung supporters, I wonder how you would feel if someone stole from you.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It was already shown in a court of law that Samsung blatantly infringed on apple and that it wasn't by accident but rather by systematic efforts to willfully steal from apple. For all the Samsung supporters, I wonder how you would feel if someone stole from you.

Right, because Apple invented everything they include on the iphone independently. I'm sorry but Samsung is more innovative than Apple is (although when galaxy s1 series hit, it was a ripoff of iphone.) but the newer stuff s2 to present has been unique.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It was already shown in a court of law that Samsung blatantly infringed on apple and that it wasn't by accident but rather by systematic efforts to willfully steal from apple. For all the Samsung supporters, I wonder how you would feel if someone stole from you.

I'm no lover of Samsung but I believe the verdict was flawed. From what we were privy to, Apple had a very circumspect case IMO. In addition, recent comments from members of the jury have placed their own judgment in to question. I really believe that there is a strong chance that the verdict will be overturned.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

It was already shown in a court of law that Samsung blatantly infringed on apple and that it wasn't by accident but rather by systematic efforts to willfully steal from apple. For all the Samsung supporters, I wonder how you would feel if someone stole from you.

 

Ultimately, these patents should have never been granted because prior art for all of them is abundant but our court system is foolish, the "honorable" judges are arrogant, uneducated in the matters they oversee, and will bend to political or monetary pressure. There may be no solution to this as this is human nature and an alternative system may be worse. However we should at least talk about it. Matters have gotten out of hand.

 

As an example, I still play paintball every once in a while but I used to play every weekend. I was involved with everything about the sport and I frequented a site called "PbNation.com" this site was like the XDA or S4GRU of paintball, it was an enthusiast forum. When I first started playing paintball there were 5-7 manufacturers of paintball guns who were prominent, Smart Parts, Kingman, Dye, WGP, Tippmann and WDP. These were the big manufacturers and they produced lots of markers and competed against each other to produce markers. There were smaller more enthusiast rigged companies that produced high-end markers such as AGD and AKA. These companies continued to exist in peace until smart parts made its "iPhone" of paintball guns, the Shocker. The shocker was revolutionary in that instead of being mechanical it was electronic, so one could shoot many more rounds per second compared to a mechanical gun like a WGP Autococker. Needless to say demand for this gun skyrocketed for tournament play as it gave players an instant advantage.

 

Smart Parts patented the crap of its design. A few months later all of those other companies were either working on or selling electronic guns. Smart Parts was designing more electronic guns but it was also planning something else, big lawsuits. When AKA, put the Viking and Excalibur series of electronic markers for sale Smart Parts sued. Smart Parts was at the time the largest company in paintball while AKA was a very small independent company. AKA wasn't big enough and didn't have deep enough pockets to fight Smart Parts so it agreed to stop selling markers, there was much public outcry over this.

 

However, this was not the first time Smart Parts sued a company for using their designs, their first victim was Pneuventures. This was especially interesting because pneuventures was actually the company that designed the Smart Parts shocker. However because they didn't patent the design and Smart parts did, smart parts was able to sue the company for all it was worth and acquire its assets and NEW DESIGNS. Smart Parts was not an innovative company, in the words of Steve Jobs they were the great artists that stole. Smart parts continued suing until larger companies like dye bent over and paid the royalties.

 

Smart parts at this point was raking in the cash and was extremely profitable but within the paintball community there was a bit of a storm brewing. Players and enthusiasts were not to fond of their favorite small companies dying or their favorite large companies upping their prices to pay smart parts. As a result there was a widespread and sustained boycott against smart parts. On the forums if a new player asked which gun to buy all would recommend against smart parts products and recommend competitors who were still fighting. On the field it was much the same. People who owned smart parts guns were looked down upon.

 

Eventually their sales decreased to the point that Smart Parts went bankrupt and there was a great rejoicing within the community, the whore was dead! Now new smaller companies came in to fill the void that smart parts left, such as dangerous powers and KEE's Invert division. These new companies were able to produce new innovative designs at a low price without fear of persecution from the likes of smart parts and there was a sort of explosion of new product lines that resulted.

 

Unfortunately as has been shown the apple situation is different. When apple patents an obvious feature, (for smart parts it was an electronic on/off switch), liberals and hipsters rejoice to hear what "new" technologies apple is developing. Apple has a dedicated zombie following that would never, ever open their eyes to other products. Their products are so deeply ingrained in what they feel defines them as a person that they would never question apple. These people have sort of gone overboard and follow apple in what seems like a religion. Even if the majority of the people who buy smart phones chose to boycott apple it wouldn't work as Apple's loyal retainers will always be there for better or worse even if they have to give up everything.

 

The other issue at hand is that unlike paintball, smart phones are a general consumer product. Most people are NOT enthusiasts and a boycott would never work because Joe Blow from down the street who wants to buy a smart phone wouldn't know or care about patent war crimes. For all he knows, he should just buy what the salesmen at the store say is great at the time.

 

In conclusion, Apple either needs a major change in attitude or another company needs to put them in their place. The quoted post is the reason a boycott would never work.

  • Like 6
Link to comment
Share on other sites

It was already shown in a court of law that Samsung blatantly infringed on apple and that it wasn't by accident but rather by systematic efforts to willfully steal from apple. For all the Samsung supporters, I wonder how you would feel if someone stole from you.

 

I understand where you're coming from,but this is about the s3 and company. I do not believe these products infringed on the recent patent litigation. In fact, they were made specifically to show they dont need to copy.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

An Infiniti is more similar and infringing to a design of a Lexus than a Galaxy S-III is to an any Apple product ever released. The Galaxy S-III is more advanced in almost every spec than an Apple 4S. And they look nothing alike. OS or physical device. Apple is just trying to expand against their competitor to see what sticks.

 

Robert via CM9 Kindle Fire using Forum Runner

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Isn't the underlying point that the "theft" of the design ideas lead to confusion for the consumer? How many people would pick up someone's S3 confusing it for their iPhone?

 

Then there's this approach to the story: A billion dollars well spent. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2409010,00.asp

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I know it is fashionable to bash Apple, but this is a completely different lawsuit than the one that the one they were awarded $1B on. For a bit more detail:

 

http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/31/apple-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-galaxy-note-patent-lawsuit/

 

If i read that correctly, those issues have already been rectified by OTA updates. Slide-to-unlock was deemed invalid in the HTC court case.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It seems to me that Apple is trying to stop all Smartphones from being sold except iPhones.

 

Even though Blackberry is dying, I wild not be suprised if Apple goes after RIM too.

 

If some how Apple is successful, we will all wind up owning nothing but iPhones.

 

I will admit, I am sounding like an Apple hater. I, honesty, have nothing against anyone who owns an iPhone, but Apple trying to completely eliminate all other Smartphones does sux.

 

KCT - "No Matter Where You Go, There You Are!"

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

It seems to me that Apple is trying to stop all Smartphones from being sold except iPhones.

 

Even though Blackberry is dying, I wild not be suprised if Apple goes after RIM too.

 

If some how Apple is successful, we will all wind up owning nothing but iPhones.

 

 

Ding ding ding... We have a winner. Apple wants nothing but apple products in everyones hands and home. People always looked at me funny when I called apple the Nazis a few years ago.

 

The average juror fully believes that there were zero smartphones before the iPhone. So they will give them the win every time.

 

Sent from my C64 w/Epyx FastLoad cartridge

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just patent "smh" and force people to not be able to use it.... Lol

 

Good idea. I have now patented "SMH" -- both the phrase and the actual gesture. If you use "SMH" while discussing smartphones or even shake your head at your smartphone, well, you are using a "stolen product," and I will sue your ass.

 

AJ

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

It means :shakes my head: unless you were kidding

 

Sent from my PG86100 using Tapatalk 2

 

Thanks. I really had no idea.

 

Robert via CM9 Kindle Fire using Forum Runner

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I am eerily good at intuitively figuring out acronyms, but for the longest time I thought that "SMH" might stand for "so much hate," especially as people younger than me these days seem to think that "haters" and "hatin'" are standards of the lexicon.

 

AJ

Dont hate on the haters while they be hating!
Link to comment
Share on other sites

We're talking billion dollar corporations here.. no matter how someone spins it.. they all are fully vested in making the most money for their shareholders. I happen to prefer iOS, I have no adverse feelings for those who use Android or WM. I don't think for a second that any of these powerhouses would hesitate to litigate especially in the messed up US patent environment. All I'm saying is everyone needs to take a deep breath. Tech companies come and go.. today's rage is tomorrows antiquity.

 

Back to Network Vision!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

  • large.unreadcontent.png.6ef00db54e758d06

  • gallery_1_23_9202.png

  • Similar Content

    • By MacinJosh
      iPhone XS and XS Max are Apple's newest flagship phones, and the successors to Apple's 2017 iPhone X. They have the new A12 Bionic chip, improved cameras and faster FaceID, and come in a beautiful Gold Stainless Steel finish in addition to the Silver & Space Gray options. They are available in the same 5.8" Super Retina display as with the X, and the bigger 6.5" Super Retina. They are available in 64GB, 256GB, and 512GB configurations.
      Apple added Dual SIM technology to the 2018 iPhone's, with one physical SIM, and one eSIM. (eSIM feature not currently supported by Sprint, but is said to be coming later). These phones also feature IP68 water-resistance (iPhone X was IP67) which gives you protection in water for up to 30 minutes in up to 2m of water.
    • By S4GRU
      by Scott Johnson
      Sprint 4G Rollout Updates
      Thursday, January 26, 2012 - 12:01 AM MST
       
      Many of us enjoy the freedom that rooting or jailbreaking our phones gives. Adding custom ROMs, removing “bloatware” or Carrier IQ, and adding additional controls are just the start. We knowingly take the risk that that we may turn our phone into a brick, and our warranty will likely not cover repair or replacement. But will we knowingly commit a criminal act to unlock our phones?
      Apple has claimed that jailbreaking the iPhone was in conflict with copyright laws. Given the amount of time they spent locking down iOS, it’s no surprise they oppose it. In July 2010, the U.S. Copyright Office eventually decided that jailbreaking and rooting was not a violation of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA), as long as it was not done with the intent of circumventing copyright. However, this decision was not permanent. If it is allowed to expire next month, jailbreaking and rooting could be considered breach of the DMCA.
      Development websites like XDA started out with the public perception that they were underground gatherings of hackers and pirates. Since the U.S. Copyright Office published the finding that jailbreaking and rooting was not illegal, those development websites have become widely popular and have largely changed the public's perception. Even Steve Kondik, aka “Cyanogen”, creator of the widely popular Android ROM CyanogenMod was hired by Samsung.
      Due to the liberties that millions of us enjoy about to be removed due to the sunseting DCMA, the Electronic Frontier Foundation has begun a campaign to keep our phones free. They are undertaking a campaign to convince the U.S. Copyright Office that we should have the right to unlock not only our smartphones, but our tablets and video game consoles. They have a petition that they will send to the U.S. Copyright Office, and they are asking for Concrete examples of legal uses of jailbreaking that “will help show the Copyright Office why they should renew and expand the exemptions for jailbreaking.”
      You can visit the EFF’s jailbreaking page here: https://www.eff.org/...ee-your-devices
       
      Photo courtesy of iphonefreakz.com
       
      Source: http://www.phonearen...l-again_id26246
    • By S4GRU
      by Scott Johnson
      Sprint 4G Rollout Updates
      Friday, February 3, 2012 - 2:00 PM MST
       
      The iPhone is something many people see as a status symbol. Many who have never owned one, long for their upgrade date so they can go out and buy the "exclusive" iPhone that they have been denied access to for years. Even some who had the iPhone, and then switched carriers, long to repurchase another. Yes, the iPhone is a well made smartphone with access to a loaded app store, and has many desirable features. But is it really better than Windows Phone, Blackberry or Android models?
      When Apple entered into a contract with AT&T, they remanufactured the RAZR craze and how the artificial scarcity of the device created such huge demand. The RAZR was a good device, and you may argue it was well ahead of other phones at the time of its release, but the other manufacturers caught up quickly. Apple used a similar strategy and it has paid off immensely. The iPhone is now available on the top 3 carriers in the U.S., but is still seen as a status symbol in many circles. As if only a few people have access to it. One could make a strong argument that the Samsung Galaxy SII is a superior smartphone, but still many customers line up to get the iPhone instead, because their inner hoarder says they NEED it, and the products perceived coolness and limited availability only add to the whole experience.
      The concept of artificial scarcity is simple. You take a product that is plentifully available to manufacture in mass, but limit distribution to a limited time, limited area, or in the case of the iPhone, limited retail outlets.
      The strategy has worked perfect for Disney. Why let your movies make the gradual descent to the $3.99 Wal-Mart bargain bin? Just keep "taking them out of the vault" and offering them at full price for a few months every couple years and people pull their credit cards out to pay $17.99 for an 85 year old movie and thank Disney for "allowing" them the opportunity to purchase Snow White. Oh, and you get to be a part of a limited privileged club.
      Another notable example is McDonald's McRib. If it was on the menu full time, many people either wouldn't bother going to McDonalds or would order something else, but artificial scarcity commands us to rush in to McDonalds and get several McRibs at a time because we won't have another chance at it for another year. What do we end up with, besides a belly ache and a reason why we don't normally eat at McDonalds?
      We should be immune to this form of advertising by now, as we are constantly inundated with limited time availability and special edition products all around us. However it is still alive and well here on Planet Earth, because it still works. Big time.
      Can Apple keep the air of exclusivity over its iPhone as it continues to broaden its distribution? Or will smartphone buyers move on to other devices? Only time will tell. But many doubt that Apple will play its hand as well in an era post Steve Jobs.
       
       
       
      Photos Courtesy of iPhone5rumor.net
    • By danlodish345
      hello i am here to start a htread for the ipad 9.7 inch 2017 edition
    • By MacinJosh
      As the rumors are heating up about Apple's next Flagship, it's time for a rumor thread. Post everything relevant about the iPhone 7 in this topic.
  • Posts

  • Recently Browsing

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...