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19 hours ago, PedroDaGr8 said:

Finally broke 1gig! We stopped by the Ramen place and I locked my phone to LTE+n261 and got 1.1Gbps. This is despite me being deprioritized (over 50Gb this month) and it being CRAZY crowded today. The park is jam packed.

Congrats! Did you happen to notice if n258 was installed yet? Last time I visited the site there were workers up installing *something*, but I couldn't stay long enough to see what. 

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On 10/2/2022 at 9:51 AM, falconhand said:

Congrats! Did you happen to notice if n258 was installed yet? Last time I visited the site there were workers up installing *something*, but I couldn't stay long enough to see what. 

I wasn't able to look super close but I didn't see any additional antennas from a cursory glance. I will check back there at some point in the next week or two.

First permit I have seen so far of T-Mobile decommissioning one of their own sites after a Sprint Conversion (the install just south of the Kirkland 85th/405 interchange):

https://permitsearch.mybuildingpermit.com/PermitDetails/PUB22-06523/Kirkland

Admittedly the tower to be decommissioned is a very short tower with only bands 2/12/66 while the Sprint Conversion site on top of the Avio Support/Goddard School building has both higher elevation and the full suite of bands That being said, in general, T-Mobile has kept damn near EVERYTHING around here (see Totem Lake) 

On other permitting notes, plus a few others are getting updated as well. Bit by bit, the few stragglers are getting converted. 

  • The 2/12/66 tower adjacent to the 405 by Kingsgate Park (eNB 84646) is getting upgraded: Permit Link
  • Same with the 12/66 tower adjacent to the 405 down by Rose Hill (eNB 84787): Permit Link
  • As is the stealth monopole on Market St. (eNB 82969): Permit Link

 

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Took the 550 over to Bellevue today before class to have a look, and was able to pull just over 3.7gbps! (Imgur link below). 

No n258 unfortunately, which would have been fun to test. Hopefully it will go live on the Olive Tower site in Downtown Seattle soon. That site is currently waiting on fiber. 

 

https://imgur.com/a/mQ2Mfm7

Tested on iPhone 14 Pro Max 

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1 hour ago, falconhand said:

Took the 550 over to Bellevue today before class to have a look, and was able to pull just over 3.7gbps! (Imgur link below). 

No n258 unfortunately, which would have been fun to test. Hopefully it will go live on the Olive Tower site in Downtown Seattle soon. That site is currently waiting on fiber. 

 

https://imgur.com/a/mQ2Mfm7

Tested on iPhone 14 Pro Max 

Wow! Is that on n41 or n260? Also, I am guessing at your usual location (either the Apartments or the Strip Mall)? Lastly, is the strip mall parking lot this one or this one?

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4CC n260. This was tested on the AEWB panel facing the strip mall right at the corner of the parking lot, closest to the antenna. First parking lot in question! For some reason I was struggling to get much above 2.1gbps on my Samsung S22+ or S21, but my iPhone was doing far better. Field Test mode wouldn't show me anything useful. 

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6 minutes ago, falconhand said:

4CC n260. This was tested on the AEWB panel facing the strip mall right at the corner of the parking lot, closest to the antenna. First parking lot in question! For some reason I was struggling to get much above 2.1gbps on my Samsung S22+ or S21, but my iPhone was doing far better. Field Test mode wouldn't show me anything useful. 

Thanks, I will need to try it from the strip mall parking lot

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Dropped the wife off for her trip up to Vancouver, BC and decided to do some mapping.

First I mapped most of the strand mount cluster eNB 178686. I was able to map all locations except 5/15 due to it being farther away than I remembered. I picked up a number of spots for eNB 178685 as well which is close by. It is interesting to see how uniform the spread is in that area. For the most part, T-Mobile likes to install them at the corner of an intersection or round-about with mid-street mounts being more rare.

Then I went over to Issaquah to map out several of the missing and unpinned sites. Discovered that the Sprint conversion site by Costco headquarters had been renumbered now with 3xxxxx eNBs. Then drove up to Bellevue to map  some upgraded sites and map the NR bands. One site, eNB 84870, was very clearly upgraded with B41/N41 but I could not connect to either. 

On another strange site, the B66 only site at Grass Lawn Park was upgraded to add B2. Strangely, B2 was added via a totally separate eNB 236113. Also strange was that they didn't add B12 to the site either, it is ONLY B2/B66 now. 

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11 hours ago, PedroDaGr8 said:

On another strange site, the B66 only site at Grass Lawn Park was upgraded to add B2. Strangely, B2 was added via a totally separate eNB 236113. Also strange was that they didn't add B12 to the site either, it is ONLY B2/B66 now. 

I wonder if they could not get permit approved to swap the antennas?

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On 10/2/2022 at 9:51 AM, falconhand said:

Congrats! Did you happen to notice if n258 was installed yet? Last time I visited the site there were workers up installing *something*, but I couldn't stay long enough to see what. 

One big thing I forgot to mention from my roaming this weekend, both n258 and n260 have been installed at the Olive Tower location in downtown Seattle:

KLoW5ls.jpg

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Yep! It's been up for a couple months. Still not live unfortunately. 

7 hours ago, PedroDaGr8 said:

One big thing I forgot to mention from my roaming this weekend, both n258 and n260 have been installed at the Olive Tower location in downtown Seattle:

KLoW5ls.jpg

 

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On 10/10/2022 at 8:55 PM, xmx1024 said:

I wonder if they could not get permit approved to swap the antennas?

It is a strange site, it could be a load related issue as they are mounted to a light pole by a baseball field. B12 would require another RRU. I just found it weird that they split the eNB when EVERY SINGLE other site would have used the same eNB for both bands. 

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Interesting permit from AT&T, looks like they are going to be moving their downtown Kirkland site on the Marina Park Building to the notably taller WestWater Apartments building across the street:
 

https://permitsearch.mybuildingpermit.com/PermitDetails/PRE22-00727/Kirkland

IMHO this is a very good move for them because the location on the Marina Park building was EXTREMELY LOW and really limited their signal propagation in the area. TBH they didn't really have a good high elevation location to cover most of downtown Kirkland. 

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Lots of changes in the Totem Lake area:

For a brief period of time today, I connected to the second n41 carrier as the PCC. For those that care, it appears that T-Mobile is using Sectors 311, 312, 313, ... for the second n41 carrier.

 

This was on the second 124th/Willows tower up on the hill: gNB 1853382. On that note, that tower has been upgraded to include b41/n41 and NR in general. 

 

The Totem Lake office building they co-lo with AT&T now has B41/n41. Additionally, I have picked up a couple of other stray gNBs over the past week. One I think was the Motel 6 but the n41 channel was weird (the old EARFCN) and I didn't get a chance to map it more. It is off today. Another, I have NO CLUE where it is located. I only picked it up on n25 once and it isn't ANY of the nearby stations which are ready for upgrade. The only one I can think of is the tower over by LWIT but when I drove by it today, that tower isn't broadcasting anything extra.  

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Can't stand not being able to connect to SA n41 and n25.  I ordered a new Pixel 7 Pro.  Should arrive today. I am hoping it will connect!  :fingers:

Robert

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9 hours ago, S4GRU said:

Can't stand not being able to connect to SA n41 and n25.  I ordered a new Pixel 7 Pro.  Should arrive today. I am hoping it will connect!  :fingers:

Robert

Good luck to ya! Hope you like it! 

The Motel 6 site was live this afternoon. That means all 5 sites in Totem Lake are now live and fully upgraded.

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14 hours ago, PedroDaGr8 said:

Good luck to ya! Hope you like it! 

So far so good.  Was able to connect to SA n41 and n25.  However, SCP reports it as n71.  Cellmapper seems to be getting it right though. 

Robert

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On 10/20/2022 at 4:45 PM, PedroDaGr8 said:

B2 shifted down to 1890/1970 MHz that leaves 15MHz free. Curious what they plan to do, maybe reactivate the second B2 channel or expand n25 to 15MHz.

Got my answer, n25 is now 15 MHz as of today.

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On 11/1/2022 at 1:00 PM, PedroDaGr8 said:

This one seems to be an upgrade
 

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E22-44230, WA6327 5GNR-CBAND 2023, Removing (6) antennas, (18) Diplexers, and (12) Quadplexers. adding (6) antennas, (12) Diplexers, adding (1) DC9 surge suppressor, and ancillary equipment to the existing facility.

Also, it's been a while since I have been up there but I am having trouble locating it on Google Maps street view. The only site visible appears to be an AT&T site due to the raycap visible just above the fence line & gate signage.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/16001+124th+Ave+NE,+Woodinville,+WA+98072/@47.7437861,-122.1749942,3a,19.2y,224.2h,80.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sT9h59Sj7l0YRZH8PxCBWqA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x54900dda6f2be3cb:0x31061dfdc68aa722!8m2!3d47.7438019!4d-122.1753217


 

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13 hours ago, xmx1024 said:

This one seems to be an upgrade
 

Also, it's been a while since I have been up there but I am having trouble locating it on Google Maps street view. The only site visible appears to be an AT&T site due to the raycap visible just above the fence line & gate signage.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/16001+124th+Ave+NE,+Woodinville,+WA+98072/@47.7437861,-122.1749942,3a,19.2y,224.2h,80.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sT9h59Sj7l0YRZH8PxCBWqA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x54900dda6f2be3cb:0x31061dfdc68aa722!8m2!3d47.7438019!4d-122.1753217


 

This is an AT&T site. WA#### is the AT&T Common ID format. 

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16 hours ago, xmx1024 said:

This one seems to be an upgrade
 

Also, it's been a while since I have been up there but I am having trouble locating it on Google Maps street view. The only site visible appears to be an AT&T site due to the raycap visible just above the fence line & gate signage.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/16001+124th+Ave+NE,+Woodinville,+WA+98072/@47.7437861,-122.1749942,3a,19.2y,224.2h,80.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sT9h59Sj7l0YRZH8PxCBWqA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x54900dda6f2be3cb:0x31061dfdc68aa722!8m2!3d47.7438019!4d-122.1753217


 

I think I copied the wrong permit, I will see if can figure out which one I intended to copy. 

Found it: https://permitsearch.mybuildingpermit.com/PermitDetails/WCF2022-32542/Bothell 

Technically the same parcel but not really. The tower is the green one in the center, located here:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/16001+124th+Ave+NE,+Woodinville,+WA+98072/@47.7431505,-122.1749793,3a,75y,297.03h,107.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1fgQXLYWWxmA3Zb2r00DaA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x54900dda6f2be3cb:0x31061dfdc68aa722!8m2!3d47.7438019!4d-122.1753217

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6 hours ago, PedroDaGr8 said:

Ahhh! Thanks - I totally didn't see this one. This is near a friends place and I will be visiting in January which has a couple of older sites nearby that can create funky performance issues.

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