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1 US Cellular EVDO in the hand is worth approximately 8 Sprint EVDOs in the other. ;)

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As of 12.01 am I have been having on and off lte signals in Conyers. I do know if it is a tower that is set to come online soon, or testing. However the results have not been good. signal loss like crazy, and speed results at my cousins where I am living till the end of the month when I could get it to lock long enough for a speed test for around 4mpb. On the way to work which is a ten min drive still in Conyers I hit a consistent 8 mpb with a peak of 27 down and 13 up,

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I am pretty sure that I am not connectting to the tower that I thought I was because I am in the office and less than 1000 yards from tower. I have yet to catch a signal in ten minutes. This particullar site has been live since may. So I must have been on the cusp of a tower in monroe or loganville. Possibly. I can not access the sponsors section from work, I have screen shots but can not upload them from work. I have long and lat and ip info if that helps anyone

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I am pretty sure that I am not connectting to the tower that I thought I was because I am in the office and less than 1000 yards from tower. I have yet to catch a signal in ten minutes. This particullar site has been live since may. So I must have been on the cusp of a tower in monroe or loganville. Possibly. I can not access the sponsors section from work, I have screen shots but can not upload them from work. I have long and lat and ip info if that helps anyone

 

Anything additional information you can post will be very helpful, thanks.

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dl: 272370

ul: 13180

ping 49ms

ntw LTE

server Atlanta

ext IP 66.87.101.185

Int IP 30.20.49.185

Lat: 33.66708

Long -84.01558

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I am pretty sure that I am not connectting to the tower that I thought I was because I am in the office and less than 1000 yards from tower. I have yet to catch a signal in ten minutes. This particullar site has been live since may. So I must have been on the cusp of a tower in monroe or loganville. Possibly. I can not access the sponsors section from work, I have screen shots but can not upload them from work. I have long and lat and ip info if that helps anyone

cant figure out how to upload a screenshot

dl: 272370

ul: 13180

ping 49ms

ntw LTE

server Atlanta

ext IP 66.87.101.185

Int IP 30.20.49.185

Lat: 33.66708

Long -84.01558

 

Yeah, the tower to your south has been live since the beginning of may so I doubt if thats the one you are connecting too since sprint seems to be blocking them once they go live. There is another tower less than a mile or so to your north west off of ellington dr and north main (AT54XC115) that is schedule to go live on 6/22 so it may very well be that one.

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Hey all,

 

I'm pretty much a network newbie but noticed that my HTC EVO LTE shows the local towers' network type recently (last couple of days, I think) changed from EVDO to eHRPD. Does that possibly indicate that the LTE hardware is up and converting the data to CDMA 'til they flip the switch??? Or is it perhaps meaningless? ;)

 

I'm located in Roswell off Alpharetta Hwy (near Hembree Road).

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This site currently does not allow uploading of photos directly to the site. The best way is to upload the screenshot to an online host of some sort. I use imgur.com but others here use photobucket or flickr, etc. Once uploaded then copy the "direct link" URL and paste that link into the box that pops up when you click this button --->8qmQB.png in the posting window

 

If you already know this procedure and you were having a different issue with screenshots, my apologies. I'm not trying to insult your intelligence or your knowledge.

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Hey all,

 

I'm pretty much a network newbie but noticed that my HTC EVO LTE shows the local towers' network type recently (last couple of days, I think) changed from EVDO to eHRPD. Does that possibly indicate that the LTE hardware is up and converting the data to CDMA 'til they flip the switch??? Or is it perhaps meaningless? ;)

 

I'm located in Roswell off Alpharetta Hwy (near Hembree Road).

 

Based on where you are, the closest tower to you isn't scheduled to get lte until september but there are several sites in your general area already live or about to come live very shortly. Once a site goes live sprint then turns around and makes it undiscoverable while they work the kinks out. Anyway, once sprint flips the switch you should be good to go in my opinion.

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I find myself a little bit confused... I'm in central Georgia, and I realize that rural areas will be far down the list for LTE (except north Georgia, as part of the Atlanta market).

 

I'm ok with waiting for LTE here, I upgraded to the LG Viper last month 'cause I needed to use my Premier upgrade this year, and I decided not to wait to see what comes out later in the year (plus, Best Buy had the Viper on sale for $20, and I had more than $20 in Reward Zone certificates - I got the Viper for no cash - and $25 Google Wallet credit to boot. Hard to beat that).

 

Several Sprint sites in the area have had work done, according to network.sprint.com, and more are on tap to have work done "in the next 6 months."

 

I've been poking around this site a bit, and I see several mentions that eHRPD is only showing on sites that have had NV upgrades complete.

 

Here's my confusion - my phone reports eHRPD connectivity. Everywhere I go in Sprint coverage here in middle Georgia.

 

But NV isn't scheduled here... we're not part of the Atlanta market (this is a former affiliate area), I don't believe.

 

Un-confuse me?

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I find myself a little bit confused... I'm in central Georgia, and I realize that rural areas will be far down the list for LTE (except north Georgia, as part of the Atlanta market).

 

I'm ok with waiting for LTE here, I upgraded to the LG Viper last month 'cause I needed to use my Premier upgrade this year, and I decided not to wait to see what comes out later in the year (plus, Best Buy had the Viper on sale for $20, and I had more than $20 in Reward Zone certificates - I got the Viper for no cash - and $25 Google Wallet credit to boot. Hard to beat that).

 

Several Sprint sites in the area have had work done, according to network.sprint.com, and more are on tap to have work done "in the next 6 months."

 

I've been poking around this site a bit, and I see several mentions that eHRPD is only showing on sites that have had NV upgrades complete.

 

Here's my confusion - my phone reports eHRPD connectivity. Everywhere I go in Sprint coverage here in middle Georgia.

 

But NV isn't scheduled here... we're not part of the Atlanta market (this is a former affiliate area), I don't believe.

 

Un-confuse me?

 

Where is your general location?

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Where is your general location?

Perry/Warner Robins, GA - Macon, GA market (which isn't actually listed on network.sprint.com)

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I find myself a little bit confused... I'm in central Georgia, and I realize that rural areas will be far down the list for LTE (except north Georgia, as part of the Atlanta market).

 

I'm ok with waiting for LTE here, I upgraded to the LG Viper last month 'cause I needed to use my Premier upgrade this year, and I decided not to wait to see what comes out later in the year (plus, Best Buy had the Viper on sale for $20, and I had more than $20 in Reward Zone certificates - I got the Viper for no cash - and $25 Google Wallet credit to boot. Hard to beat that).

 

Several Sprint sites in the area have had work done, according to network.sprint.com, and more are on tap to have work done "in the next 6 months."

 

I've been poking around this site a bit, and I see several mentions that eHRPD is only showing on sites that have had NV upgrades complete.

 

Here's my confusion - my phone reports eHRPD connectivity. Everywhere I go in Sprint coverage here in middle Georgia.

 

But NV isn't scheduled here... we're not part of the Atlanta market (this is a former affiliate area), I don't believe.

 

Un-confuse me?

 

eHRPD is 3G EVDO that is capable of handing off to LTE seamlessly (because it uses the same 4G core and all IP architecture like LTE). It was originally believed that eHRPD was being deployed only in markets where LTE deployment is active. However, this has been proven not true.

 

eHRPD is installed by software upgrade and does not require technicians to be at the site. eHRPD is confirmed as occurring in markets far in advance of LTE deployment in many instances. The Georgia market will not start NV/LTE deployment until next year. However, the 4G Core that eHRPD runs on for the Georgia market is live now (because it's the same as Atlanta), so they went ahead and started upgrading your market to eHRPD in advance.

 

Hope that makes sense to you. It's kind of convoluted.

 

Robert

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eHRPD is 3G EVDO that is capable of handing off to LTE seamlessly (because it uses the same 4G core and all IP architecture like LTE). It was originally believed that eHRPD was being deployed only in markets where LTE deployment is active. However, this has been proven not true.

 

eHRPD is installed by software upgrade and does not require technicians to be at the site. eHRPD is confirmed as occurring in markets far in advance of LTE deployment in many instances. The Georgia market will not start NV/LTE deployment until next year. However, the 4G Core that eHRPD runs on for the Georgia market is live now (because it's the same as Atlanta), so they went ahead and started upgrading your market to eHRPD in advance.

 

Hope that makes sense to you. It's kind of convoluted.

 

Robert

Perfect sense, and I appreciate the clarification.

 

They'll have a heck of a time getting backhaul to most of their sites here - very little fiber (read: none passing most sites), and not a whole lot of copper available. I won't hold my breath on LTE, even if scheduled, until at least late 2013 (if then) unless I start seeing some fiber and/or copper going in toward some sites. One of the ILECs isn't real good about it (took over 6 months to get fiber into my data center).

 

But if I need a taste, I can ride up north of Macon a ways :)

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They'll have a heck of a time getting backhaul to most of their sites here - very little fiber (read: none passing most sites), and not a whole lot of copper available. I won't hold my breath on LTE, even if scheduled, until at least late 2013 (if then) unless I start seeing some fiber and/or copper going in toward some sites. One of the ILECs isn't real good about it (took over 6 months to get fiber into my data center).

 

Are there any cable providers in the area that have their own backbone (not just using the telephone company's)? They could definitely be used as AAVs for backhaul in NV. If they'll only deploy to cities, there's always the ability to serve other sites via microwave, though hopefully Ericsson uses gigabit symmetric radios (they do exist) rather than the ones (that do half that) from AlcaLu.

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Are there any cable providers in the area that have their own backbone (not just using the telephone company's)? They could definitely be used as AAVs for backhaul in NV. If they'll only deploy to cities, there's always the ability to serve other sites via microwave, though hopefully Ericsson uses gigabit symmetric radios (they do exist) rather than the ones (that do half that) from AlcaLu.

Cox does have their own fiber, and backbone to the ATL, but the same problem... fiber passing the sites.

 

Likely most sites have T1 via copper now... Microwave's been removed over the years from all the sites (all carriers) that I've seen in these parts.

 

AT&T is one ILEC in the area, and they've also got fiber passing sites (sharing many of the sites with Sprint, Verizon, TMobile). Verizon LTE recently lit up around here, but the western part of the area's not served by AT&T, nor by Cox in the southern part. There, we have Windstream (formerly ALLTEL).

 

I'll have to check with some folks and see if I can find out if they're building fiber or additional copper into sites, especially along I-75. In order to make a 2013 roll-out of LTE here, the ILECs need to at least be in engineering NOW.

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Cox does have their own fiber, and backbone to the ATL, but the same problem... fiber passing the sites.

 

Cox has talked before about how awesome cellular backhaul is for them revenue-wise. Just think...15x their average revenue per user for just one site, and they can sell that connection to two or three other carriers while they're at it.

 

Likely most sites have T1 via copper now... Microwave's been removed over the years from all the sites (all carriers) that I've seen in these parts.

 

MW might come back. New equipment has a lot more capacity than the old stuff, to the point that, if fiber can't be gotten at a reasonable pace/price, microwave can be implemented and no one will ever know the difference from a subscriber standpoint.

 

AT&T is one ILEC in the area, and they've also got fiber passing sites (sharing many of the sites with Sprint, Verizon, TMobile). Verizon LTE recently lit up around here, but the western part of the area's not served by AT&T, nor by Cox in the southern part. There, we have Windstream (formerly ALLTEL).

 

VZ LTE going live is a good sign. From what I understand, they want fiber to each site more badly than Sprint does, so if Verizon has LTE deployed to a cell site that Sprint also uses (I know that VZ owns its own towers in some places) Sprint could just use the same backhaul vendor and get a quick turn-up time, absent any shenanigans from Verizon (I've seen an AT&T backhaul RFQ that stated that, if a fiber buildout was done to a cell site in order to provide them backhaul, they were to be the only customer for that site!).

 

As for Windstream, they love cellular backhaul, for the same reasons that Cox does. As an added benefit, they probably have fiber to a number of towers already, since beyond 15 or so T1s the maintenance/crosstalk/etc. means it makes more sense to run everything over fiber on the long haul, then demux to copper or whatever at the site.

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Cox has talked before about how awesome cellular backhaul is for them revenue-wise. Just think...15x their average revenue per user for just one site, and they can sell that connection to two or three other carriers while they're at it.

We'll have to see where they build/have built.

 

MW might come back. New equipment has a lot more capacity than the old stuff, to the point that, if fiber can't be gotten at a reasonable pace/price, microwave can be implemented and no one will ever know the difference from a subscriber standpoint.

I know I certainly don't care what the transport is.

 

As for Windstream, they love cellular backhaul, for the same reasons that Cox does. As an added benefit, they probably have fiber to a number of towers already, since beyond 15 or so T1s the maintenance/crosstalk/etc. means it makes more sense to run everything over fiber on the long haul, then demux to copper or whatever at the site.

In a past life, I had DS3 on copper into a data center, and that's 30 T1s. Only 45 mb/s, but multiple DS3 via copper is certainly doable. Windstream did some maintenance last night, moving T1s around (I have a couple for backup) to different DS3 muxes in the local office, so they may be making room for additional capacity, either for more VZ sites or Sprint sites, or both.

 

Sprint themselves takes 120 days to even do a T1 move (min 90, they prefer to give FOC 180 days out).

 

Windstream certainly has capacity - I have 50 mb/s on fiber now, so here's hoping they have or will pull fiber out to the sites over the next 6-9 months.

 

I'll be happy just to see better 3G speeds... heading into a weekend where I'll be using my Sprint 3G/WiMax air card pretty extensively, and it'll be painful, I know. In fact, after this weekend, I'm dropping the air card from my account, since I so rarely use it, and I would actually save $10/month by adding hotspot to my phone to use when I need it (relatively rare).

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I can't resist any longer...

 

Gotta get back to Macon... love all night!

 

A little Jamey Johnson for all y'all Maconites...

 

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1st time poster..

 

Hey all, dumb question and sorry if its been answered before. I've searched but can find a definite answer. I think I saw once where someone stated "When LTE is up and running, if you currently receive a 3G signal in an area, you will receive LTE signal as well". ???

 

I live in Doraville and work in Sandy Springs btw.

 

 

Thanks

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Hey all' date=' dumb question and sorry if its been answered before. I've searched but can find a definite answer. I think I saw once where someone stated "When LTE is up and running, if you currently receive a 3G signal in an area, you will receive LTE signal as well". ???

 

I live in Doraville and work in Sandy Springs btw.

 

Thanks[/quote']

 

Yes, this is true. But let me clarify. When LTE deployment is complete, there will be LTE coverage over the entire Sprint 3G footprint. However, not at market launch.

 

At market will launch with LTE when they have approximately 40% - 50% of sites complete in that market. Then after launch they continue finishing up the remaining sites in the market.

 

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How do you verify eHRPD connectivity? I'm curious what shows in my local market.

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How do you verify eHRPD connectivity? I'm curious what shows in my local market.

 

I just run a speed test and then view the results in the results tab and it will show what network you are connected to. See under "Location"

 

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How do you verify eHRPD connectivity? I'm curious what shows in my local market.

 

You can go to Settings and look under about device in most Android devices, it will display network connection type. Also, you can use apps like NetMonitor and CDMA Field Test. Speedtest app also shows the network type in the details of specific speed test results under the Results tab.

 

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      Although Sierra Wireless has made some major improvement in the 3rd generation Hotspot, this is still a unit for the casual user. It is not designed to handle heavy use or outdoor summer temperatures for any length of time. It will be going in my climate controlled cabinet to protect it from the heat next week. I will let you know how it works when the temperature stays below 85 degrees. The improvements in connectivity, reception and stability are worth the investment. As long as you know and adjust your usage for the limitations of the unit.
    • By pyroscott
      Sprint Nextel revealed their second quarter 2012 corporate earnings in a conference call to their investors today and S4GRU was covering for news on Network Vision.
      Network thinning of the iDEN network is complete, taking 1/3 of Nextel towers off air. The Nextel network was built to support 20 million subscribers, but was only supporting 4.4 million subscribers, so it could easily be thinned without [much] noticeable change in street coverage. Sprint also converted 60% of the Nextel subscriber loss into their Sprint subscriber base. Interestingly, they stated that Verizon has been the biggest poacher of subscribers leaving Nextel, grabbing 50% of former subscribers in the last 4 1/2 years. In that same timeframe, Sprint has grabbed 25%, AT&T 20% and T-Mobile 5%.
       
       
      On the Network Vision topic:
      4 additional cities will launch, including Baltimore, by the end of August.*Edit* Cities were disclosed VIA press release following the conference call. They are:
      Baltimore, MD Gainesville, GA Manhattan/Junction City, KS Sherman-Denison, TX  
      Over 2,000 sites are currently online with 12,000 sites to be online by the end of the year
      Network Vision towers are seeing 10-20% additional voice minutes usage per tower, overnight after activating Network Vision. This will equal roaming savings for Sprint, and ESMR will only increase that savings.
      CEO Dan Hesse confirmed that Sprint will be releasing the Motorola Photon Q "in the very near future." It will be a QWERTY slider "with robust business and consumer features." It will also be sporting world phone capability.
      Several hundred Network Vision sites are waiting for backhaul, and will turn on when the backhaul is installed, several hundred more sites have birds nesting on them and Sprint won't be able to turn them on until the birds leave, according to the conference call.
      Sprint sold 1.5 million iPhones during the quarter, even though other carriers saw slowing of sales with rumors ramping up that the new iPhone would support LTE. 40% of the iPhone sales were to new customers. They also stated that iPhone customers require less customer support and are expected to churn less than customers on other phones.
      Mr. Hesse confirmed that Sprint is not looking to change plans in the near future.
      Things are looking up for Sprint. This quarter saw their highest ARPU and their lowest churn rate to date. They posted a larger loss than Q1, but beat their revenue goals for Q2. For more detailed financial information, check the source link below.
       
      Source: http://investors.spr...spx?iid=4057219
      http://finance.yahoo...-141200985.html -Thanks to S4GRU sponsor marioc21 for finding this link!
    • By lilotimz
      Ericsson RRUS31 B25 + RRUS11 B26
      These are the newest and greatest remote radio units to come from Ericsson. 

      The new Ericsson RRUS31  B25 should be fairly distinctive compared to the earlier RRUS11s and now the RRUS12s being deployed by ATT and Verizon. One of these new RRUS31s can do the job of two earlier RRUS11s thus reducing deployment costs for Sprint and complexity in deploying new sites and making it easier for users to spot as there are now 4 jumpers coming out of one RRUS31 rather than two from each RRUS11 that Ericsson originally deployed. 

      All future deployments will be utilizing the new Ericsson RRUS31s. In addition Ericsson are sending crews to their original deployments and swapping out older RRUS11s for these new RRUS31s due to the aforementioned fact that one RRUS31 can do the job of 2 RRUS11s. Weight savings will be significant at sites where there are 4 or 5 RRUS11 B25s that can be replaced by one or 2 RRUS31s. The Ericsson RRUS31 deployment project is known as the 65 Mhz Project. 

       

      Ericsson RRUS11 B26 top and RRUS31 B25 bottom

       

       
      Ericsson High Capacity / 4x4/2 MIMO Deployment
      Note the additional antenna + PCS radio.
      Previously Ericsson utilized additional PCS radios and used RF combiners for high capacity setups where they utilized three or more PCS radios. This new setup will utilize a completey new antenna + radio set just like Samsung and run 4x2 MIMO on the LTE antenna / radio set. 
       

       

       

       
      Ericsson RRUS11 B25 [EOL'd] and B26
      A standard Ericsson Network Vision 1.0 site with 3 RRUS11s where two are dedicated to PCS and one to SMR.  

      This type of setup is no longer deployed or utilized in new sites. Existing sites will be slowly converted to newer RRUS31 B25 via the Sprint 65 mhz project. 


       
      Ericsson NV high capacity site [EOL'd]
      3 or 4 PCS RRUs are present for a total of 4 or 5 RRUS11s per antenna. 


       

       

       
      Close up of Antennas
       

       
      Ericsson cabinets 
      (center)



      All credit to those who took the photographs. They know who they are!
       
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