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Teaser: iPhone gets two new models but no LTE band *trifecta* on Sprint

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by Andrew J. Shepherd

Sprint 4G Rollout Updates

Tuesday, September 10, 2013 - 1:10 PM MDT

 

To cut right to the chase, Apple announced at its live event today two new iPhone models: high end iPhone 5S and mid range iPhone 5C. Both are coming to Sprint and both support Sprint LTE -- but only dual band Sprint LTE. The new crop of iPhone models for the next year will not be tri band LTE handsets on Sprint.

 

The LTE bands supported by iPhone 5S (A1453) and iPhone 5C (A1456) are substantial and as follows: band 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 13, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26. For Sprint users, that means dual band LTE 1900/800.

 

While 13 total bands seems impressive, a few of those bands -- such as band 2/25 and band 5/26 -- are subset/superset bands. The big takeaway for Sprint users, though, is that band 41 is absent this year. So, TD-LTE 2600 will be coming soon to several tri band Android handsets but not to the dual band two new iPhone models. Band 38 TD-LTE 2600 is limited to the Asia/Oceania variants.

 

Also worthy of note, Sprint and SoftBank share the same iPhone 5S and iPhone 5C variants this year. Whether that is merely coincidence is impossible to determine. But Sprint and SoftBank have talked about combined economy of scale as a benefit of their tie up.

 

To conclude, the new iPhone FCC OET docs have not yet trickled out, but as they do, we will have more info to come. Stay tuned...

 

Source: Apple

Thread: http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/4442-the-iphone-5s-iphone-5c-not-tri-band-lte-was-next-iphone-to-be-announced-on-september-10/

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Highly unlikely.  Sprint and SoftBank both are getting A1453 and A1456 for 5S and 5C, respectively.  China Mobile is not officially listed, but it should be getting A1530 and A1529, respectively.

 

The presumed China Mobile variants do support band 38 TD-LTE 2600, but that is not as all encompassing as band 41 TD-LTE 2600.  And there is no indication that the Sprint variants even contain the RF front end and antenna arrays for any high frequency bands.

 

AJ

 

How long has China Mobile had td lte? I thought they were in the middle of upgrading.. Is it extensive?

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It will take longer in a market like San Diego because they will need additional cell sites to do an adequate 2600 overlay. They will need to get permits, run fiber, etc. 2600 on existing sites will not provide enough coverage to make it an appealing user experience. Additionally, Clear did not have enough protection sites here to make a difference. I stand by my statement that it will take longer to cover San Diego in 2600 than 1900.

 

I stand behind mine too.  When LTE 2600 is added to every Network Vision site in San Diego, most of San Diego will have it.  And it will be in 100's of places you will go.  And since you will transition seamlessly between 2600 and 1900, it doesn't really matter about the places where it isn't.  But all the places where it is, you won't be using it until you upgrade to a Triband device.

 

Yes, it will be even better when they start filling in between sites too with additional TD-LTE 2600 sites.  That will be great.  But to say you don't want any TD-LTE 2600 at all until you can get it absolutely everywhere is absurd.  I have used LTE 2600 in Denver.  And it only covers about 50% of the metro area at this very moment.  But where you get it, you're glad you do.  Because it equals or bests the averages of AT&T and VZW LTE.  And even with a miserably weak LTE 2600 signal, I still would get 7-20Mbps.

 

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What about galaxy note 3 , looks like same problem like 5s.

 

Actually, it is worse.  The Sprint Samsung GN3 is single band.  I wouldn't recommend anyone buy a Sprint Note 3, unless they also got a Triband LTE hotspot to go with it.  It's just crazy to buy a single band LTE device right now.  To miss out on two years of two other bands is just unconscionable.  Especially since one of those bands provides building penetration/distance, and the other provides much faster speeds.

 

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Actually, it is worse.  The Sprint Samsung GN3 is single band.  I wouldn't recommend anyone buy a Sprint Note 3, unless they also got a Triband LTE hotspot to go with it.  It's just crazy to buy a single band LTE device right now.  To miss out on two years of two other bands is just unconscionable.  Especially since one of those bands provides building penetration/distance, and the other provides much faster speeds.

 

Robert

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9242370/New_iPhones_don_t_support_Sprint_s_new_TD_LTE_add_on_network

The Sprint Executive actually did not mention 800 mhz LTE on the 5S or 5C almost like either he didn't know it supports it or it does not support it and we are wrong.

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http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9242370/New_iPhones_don_t_support_Sprint_s_new_TD_LTE_add_on_network

The Sprint Executive actually did not mention 800 mhz LTE on the 5S or 5C almost like either he didn't know it supports it or it does not support it and we are wrong.

 

Or he didn't want to draw attention to the media that Sprint has multiple LTE bands, and it is missing one of them. I would have not discussed it either. Sprint needs iPhone sales to be robust. They cannot take a chance on the narrative about their new iPhones are missing something. It was a wise decision to skip that point at this time.

 

Also, we are not wrong. Apple says they support Band 26 in the 5c and 5S.

 

Robert

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Or he didn't want to draw attention to the media that Sprint has multiple LTE bands, and it is missing one of them. I would have not discussed it either. Sprint needs iPhone sales to be robust. They cannot take a chance on the narrative about their new iPhones are missing something. It was a wise decision to skip that point at this time. Also, we are not wrong. Apple says they support Band 26 in the 5c and 5S. R

He mentioned it won't have td lte 2600, and only mentioned it would have 1900 and said not having the band wont impact sales. I don't see how mentioning that the iphone has 800mhz LTE would have been a bad thing as it provides more coverage and building penetration so I don't see why he wouldn't have mentioned that. Would give people the ease of mind knowing they at least get dual band

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He mentioned it won't have td lte 2600, and only mentioned it would have 1900 and said not having the band wont impact sales. I don't see how mentioning that the iphone has 800mhz LTE would have been a bad thing as it provides more coverage and building penetration so I don't see why he wouldn't have mentioned that. Would give people the ease of mind knowing they at least get dual band

 

If you re-read what he said above Sprint won't want to mention what it's missing. NO markets are 100% 1900 LTE complete &  As far as I know in all ( or most ) markets - there is no 800 LTE right now at all. 

 

Why mention that the iPhone 5s will do 800 LTE when NEWS articles the next day would MOCKINGLY say "Sprint CEO says iPhone 5s will do 800 LTE - TOO BAD IT DOESNT YET EXIST !"

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If you re-read what he said above Sprint won't want to mention what it's missing. NO markets are 100% 1900 LTE complete &  As far as I know in all ( or most ) markets - there is no 800 LTE right now at all. 

 

Why mention that the iPhone 5s will do 800 LTE when NEWS articles the next day would MOCKINGLY say "Sprint CEO says iPhone 5s will do 800 LTE - TOO BAD IT DOESNT YET EXIST !"

Oh I understand now. Yep makes since. 

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Give a woman any iPhone.  She will not know the difference and will be happy, right?

 

;)

 

AJ

 

lol negative. My girlfriend has been conditioned to not want an iPhone even if I suggest it to her.

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...which upcoming Android phones will feature tri-band radios? This whole situation is awful--I have looked forward to upgrading our phones as LTE apparently is on the way to our home (West Kentucky). Our two choices are 5s and the Note 3...and now I read that these phones are inadequate--and I have no idea what bands our yet-to-arrive LTE will utilize!

 

And what about Chicago's LTE bands. Will a tri-band radio help make things right if you are a Sprint customer there?

 

Finally, does Verizon suffer from these problems? Big Red is looking better to this out-of-contract family!

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Finally, does Verizon suffer from these problems? Big Red is looking better to this out-of-contract family!

 

Pointing a finger at Sprint is misplaced.  Most popular VZW devices sold over the past two years -- iPhone 5, Droid DNA, Galaxy Note 2, HTC One, et al. -- are single band LTE.  VZW dual band LTE devices did not show up until earlier this year.  So, a great many VZW users are going to be stuck on only band 13 LTE 750 for as long as they continue to use those devices.

 

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