Marcelo Claure, Town Hall Meetings, New Family Share Pack Plan, Unlimited Individual Plan, Discussion Thread

[nexgencpu]

I wonder what the battery life tradeoff will be - that 2x increased power output has to take a big chunk out of the battery.

Time on data will be less so I'm sure it balances itself out.

[Dkoellerwx]

So if I understand correctly, let's say without hpue, downlink signal can travel 100 m, and uplink signal can travel 70 m.  So as long as an user stays withing 70 m from a cell tower, he will stay connected, but if he travels beyond 70 m, he will lose connection even if the downlink signal can still reach him.  So if his phone is equipped with hpue, then the *up*link signal can increase to 100 m therefore he will stay connected up to 100 m from the cell tower.  I know it is very simplified example, but am I on the right track?

 

If you change the last "downlink" to "uplink," haha, then yes, simplified but right rack. 

[laqn1283]

thanx

[IamMrFamous07]

Seems like great news all around...I'm still reading everything however did they mention when all of this will be rolled out?

[tyroned3222]

If you change the last "downlink" to "uplink," haha, then yes, simplified but right rack.

So, new phones are required for this tech. So, once sprint rolls out 4*4 mimo would we need another device? Once 4*ca is rolled out(which is in the future of course ) will we need another device ?

 

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[IamMrFamous07]

So, new phones are required for this tech. So, once sprint rolls out 4*4 mimo would we need another device? Once 4*ca is rolled out(which is in the future of course ) will we need another device ?

 

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It seems like you will need a new phone every year to take advantage of the latest network technology.

 

Thank goodness I'm on iPhone forever lol

[Dkoellerwx]

So, new phones are required for this tech. So, once sprint rolls out 4*4 mimo would we need another device? Once 4*ca is rolled out(which is in the future of course ) will we need another device ?

 

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A limited number of devices currently support 4x4 MIMO. Support for HPUE and 4x4 plus 264 QAM should come on the same device. 

 

4xCA is not currently planned for mobile devices in the near future as far as I am aware. Rather there will be 2 chains of 3xCA per sector, utilizing 6 carriers where possible. 

[Dkoellerwx]

New technology requires new devices. This is not something new... I am not sure why some of you seem surprised over this. 

 

HPUE wasn't even certified until 7 days ago, so it's not like it was something that could have been included in this year's devices. 

[tyroned3222]

New technology requires new devices. This is not something new... I am not sure why some of you seem surprised over this.

 

HPUE wasn't even certified until 7 days ago, so it's not like it was something that could have been included in this year's devices.

Well for one: other then the I phone sprint users can't upgrade whenever they would like(without paying a big fee. So, to experience this 30% increased coverage on 2.5 (which is very essential) customers will have to wait quite some times to get this. A lot of sales reps & customer service will use this as an excuse to why your coverage is bad. Oh, that's because you don't have this new tech in your phone you gotta upgrade

 

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[Dkoellerwx]

Well for one: other then the I phone sprint users can't upgrade whenever they would like(without paying a big fee. So, to experience this 30% increased coverage on 2.5 (which is very essential) customers will have to wait quite some times to get this. A lot of sales reps & customer service will use this as an excuse to why your coverage is bad. Oh, that's because you don't have this new tech in your phone you gotta upgrade

 

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But that doesn't change the fact that new devices always come with new technologies. There are always advances being made. Every year's devices will be better than the year before. It has been this way with computers and smartphones since they were invented. It's not going to change any time soon. So you can't act like this is some outrageous, malicious act to force upgrades. While it does drive upgrades, it's just part of the cycle of technology. 

[greenbastard]

Adding a different LTE band is way different than just increasing the signal Strength.

 

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You can't just increase the transmitting power of an existing phone. They weren't designed for it just like old LTE T-Mobile phones weren't designed to Tx and Rx B12, even though they already support LTE.

[WiWavelength]

HPUE is an uplink improvement. It increases the transmit power of the device from 23dBm to 26dBm...

 

Not transmitted power, conducted power.  Some handsets already can exceed 23 dBm EIRP on band 41.

 

 

 

AJ

[nickj1399]

It seems like you will need a new phone every year to take advantage of the latest network technology.

 

Thank goodness I'm on iPhone forever lol

Is the iPhone 7 capable of HPUE? Once they send out the carrier settings update I'm assuming

 

 

 

 

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[IamMrFamous07]

Is the iPhone 7 capable of HPUE? Once they send out the carrier settings update I'm assuming

 

 

 

 

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No device supports this. We don't even know if the iPhone 8 will support it

[Paynefanbro]

More info in Dr. Saw's post as well....

 

http://newsroom.sprint.com/blogs/sprint-perspectives/breakthrough-hpue-innovation-to-benefit-tdd-lte-networks-worldwide.htm

 

30% Coverage extension for 2.5 GHz... and....

 

The small cell pictured in this release is also the first one that I ever connected to in NYC. It's near South Ferry.

[IamMrFamous07]

"We are already working on five-channel carrier aggregation in preparation for 5G."

 

5xCA....can't wait!!

[tyroned3222]

The small cell pictured in this release is also the first one that I ever connected to in NYC. It's near South Ferry.

How did it perform

But that doesn't change the fact that new devices always come with new technologies. There are always advances being made. Every year's devices will be better than the year before. It has been this way with computers and smartphones since they were invented. It's not going to change any time soon. So you can't act like this is some outrageous, malicious act to force upgrades. While it does drive upgrades, it's just part of the cycle of technology.

 

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[Dkoellerwx]

How did it perform

 

 

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The small cell performance is well documented in the New York City thread.

[samwelltarley]

So when these new handsets come out, we don't need to worry about a device emitting at 400mW hugging our body (and brain) all day right? I'm a paranoid and I've always worried about my 200mW device attached to my body and I'm not sure how I would feel about these 400mW ones.

 

 

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[IamMrFamous07]

I always thought the 8t8r antennas and beam orming was supposed to give band 41 that comparable coverage as 1.9.

 

Are 8t8r antennas still being installed? Haven't heard much about them

[Dkoellerwx]

I always thought the 8t8r antennas and beam orming was supposed to give band 41 that comparable coverage as 1.9.

 

Are 8t8r antennas still being installed? Haven't heard much about them

 

They do give comparable coverage, but this change will make the footprint even closer to that of PCS. And of course 8T8R antennas are still being installed. Installation rates dropped for a while, but we are seeing more deployment now, especially in cities that either didn't see any or had a limited B41 rollout initially. 

[IamMrFamous07]

They do give comparable coverage, but this change will make the footprint even closer to that of PCS. And of course 8T8R antennas are still being installed. Installation rates dropped for a while, but we are seeing more deployment now, especially in cities that either didn't see any or had a limited B41 rollout initially.

True.... I'm excited and I can't wait until the AMA session this Friday. Hopefully Sprint exceeds expectations with the small cell rollout in 2017.

[bucdenny]

True.... I'm excited and I can't wait until the AMA session this Friday. Hopefully Sprint exceeds expectations with the small cell rollout in 2017.

 

On top of that, add 8T8R on all sites.  In San Diego market, maybe 40% completed.  Many areas with only 2xB25 and that's it. Imagine that.

[WiWavelength]

So when these new handsets come out, we don't need to worry about a device emitting at 400mW hugging our body (and brain) all day right? I'm a paranoid and I've always worried about my 200mW device attached to my body and I'm not sure how I would feel about these 400mW ones.

 

Ah, then a VZW variant Samsung Galaxy Note 3 is just the handset for you.  Very little RF radiation directed at your body or your serving cell site.

 

AJ

[lilotimz]

I always thought the 8t8r antennas and beam orming was supposed to give band 41 that comparable coverage as 1.9.

 

Are 8t8r antennas still being installed? Haven't heard much about them

 

8T8R antennas and beamforming increases the eNB performance. You're still at mercy of the UE since it is the signal from the UE which will fail way before those of the macro / micro / pico sites. 

 

So 8T8R pushes the envelope of coverage from the macro cell site in comparison to say the Clearwire equipment. Now you run into the issue where the 8T8R antennas can talk to your device but your device can't talk back to the 8T8R antenna. This is where HPUE will help out.