Network Vision/LTE - New York City Market

[Paynefanbro]

T-Mobile finally got a permit to decommission their old Band 66 site at 1 Carlton Ave across the street from the Brooklyn Navy Yard. It hasn't been active for a few months now so it's no surprise really.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/mKapEnxkPdJuRLC96

Curious to see if they'll join move to another building or if they're content with just not having a site in that area.

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For the folks that travel on the Grand Central Parkway, T-Mobile finally upgraded the site on top of Creedmoor Psychiatric Center, finally filling in that gap of weaker n41 coverage on the highway. I was wondering when they would get to this one. Really felt like it was never going to happen.

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T-Mobile's only site on City Island also got upgraded just in time for the spring crowds. I haven't actually seen the site or been there to map but I was in Sands Point last weekend and noticed that I connected to a new Band 12 eNB that shared PCIs with the City Island site in an area where I used to connect to that weird old split sector Band 66 antenna. 

[Paynefanbro]

New AT&T speed record for me. I encountered an AT&T site with upgraded backhaul in Crown Heights. I'm certain I can hit 1Gbps on this site off-peak. 

[Paynefanbro]

On 3/15/2024 at 7:53 PM, Paynefanbro said:

T-Mobile's only site on City Island also got upgraded just in time for the spring crowds. I haven't actually seen the site or been there to map but I was in Sands Point last weekend and noticed that I connected to a new Band 12 eNB that shared PCIs with the City Island site in an area where I used to connect to that weird old split sector Band 66 antenna. 

Following up on this. I just went up to City Island and it looks like T-Mobile is giving them the Broad Channel treatment by adding a bunch of small cells throughout the island. I mapped three new ones today bringing them to a total of seven small cells. It's still not a replacement for actual macros though. They need to join Verizon and AT&T in adding at least one more site closer to the north end of the island.

Also snapped a pic of the upgraded site. Gone is the old split sector antenna they had on the east facing sector.

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I mapped a recently upgraded site in Cobble Hill earlier and noticed that the gNB IDs for n41 and n25/71 are separated by two. Maybe it's a sneak peak into the numbering scheme going forward? gNB ID 1089448 is n41 and 1089450 is n25/71. Maybe n66 or n77 will be given 1089449.

[Paynefanbro]

There's a permit for a new 47 story building at 205 Montague St in Downtown Brooklyn. The problem is that  T-Mobile eNB 48352 is on the building next door and this new building will block two out of 3 sectors of the site. For reference, the new building will be roughly as tall as 16 Court St which is right across the street.

This site is the primary site covering Cadman Plaza so I wonder what the plan is. Will they just try to change sector placement, move to a different building, or will this just speed up the conversion of the Sprint site at 25 Monroe Place?

[dkyeager]

I believe Verizon has 160Mhz of n77 licenses in NYC, which have been available since last summer.  Have any of you seen more than 100Mhz? Does SCP report it correctly in terms of band and nr-arfcn? Of course ideally it would be SA lol.

[Paynefanbro]

On 3/29/2024 at 7:52 PM, dkyeager said:

I believe Verizon has 160Mhz of n77 licenses in NYC, which have been available since last summer.  Have any of you seen more than 100Mhz? Does SCP report it correctly in terms of band and nr-arfcn? Of course ideally it would be SA lol.

Yeah they definitely have 160MHz live but no idea if SCP reports properly. I only have Cellmapper on my Android device and only map AT&T and T-Mobile at the moment. Also no standalone on Verizon here. 

[Paynefanbro]

NextWave is complaining about interference from T-Mobile's network again. It's super annoying considering the area where T-Mobile operates a full 150MHz of BRS/EBS shrank significantly in late 2023. In a place as dense as NYC, have two operators with such split holdings of this band doesn't make sense. Interference seems nearly inevitable. Next Wave has only submitted permits for 22 sites so far, they honestly should just sell.

https://www.lightreading.com/5g/redzone-nextwave-also-complain-of-interference-from-t-mobile-s-5g

 

 

[Paynefanbro]

New T-Mobile site went live earlier this year at 5 W 86th St, just off of Central Park. It's not a Sprint conversion so I hope this means more new builds are gonna stop popping up in areas that need coverage the most.

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Also spotted a unicorn (mapped a new AT&T site) in Greenpoint. It's eNB ID 115932/119932. I spotted the permit a super long time ago but it looks like it finally went live earlier this month. That makes 5 new AT&T sites in Brooklyn in the past 2 years.
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Noticed that I touched a Sprint conversion site while mapping today. It has been live since at least December and is already on the keep site map.

Sprint eNB 74215 -> T-Mobile gNB 1371628
Located at: 40.767977371545726, -73.96146218469505

Still a bunch more we've found that don't have any decommission permits submitted yet.

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Adding a bunch of gig+ sites I haven't reported yet.

1. eNB 44076 
   1. Located at 40.72513188568983, -73.95130108843207
2. eNB 44110
   1. Located at 40.78671665921442, -73.97831748836762
3. eNB 47002
   1. Located at 40.71818871096234, -73.97553242675835
4. eNB 48023
   1. Located at 40.70014576627346, -73.95511802661758
5. eNB 129912/130917
   1. Located at 40.71727220756978, -73.95652417532955
6. eNB 875917
   1. Located at 40.72274052431834, -73.84403351784677
7. eNB 49849
   1. Located at 40.72181611705532, -73.86627810663067

 

 

[AirlineFlyer]

On 4/20/2024 at 11:31 PM, Paynefanbro said:

New T-Mobile site went live earlier this year at 5 W 86th St, just off of Central Park. It's not a Sprint conversion so I hope this means more new builds are gonna stop popping up in areas that need coverage the most.

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Also spotted a unicorn (mapped a new AT&T site) in Greenpoint. It's eNB ID 112039/119039. I spotted the permit a super long time ago but it looks like it finally went live earlier this month. That makes 5 new AT&T sites in Brooklyn in the past 2 years.
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Did you mean a different site? eNB ID 112039 has been around for years. Streetview even has it with C-band back in 2022 - https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7303042,-73.9610924,3a,24.1y,18.03h,109.66t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1s2ossx06yU56AYOzREdcK-g!2e0!5s20220201T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D2ossx06yU56AYOzREdcK-g%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D18.027734930682684%26pitch%3D-19.664180274382204%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu

Meanwhile, Verizon's eNB 84484 in Fort Greene has been updated to include C-band and CBRS, but not mmWave. I've seen this a few times now on updated Verizon sites where it's just the CBRS antenna on its own, not in a shroud and without mmWave. Odd.

[Paynefanbro]

2 hours ago, AirlineFlyer said:

Did you mean a different site? eNB ID 112039 has been around for years. Streetview even has it with C-band back in 2022

Good catch! I meant 115932/119932. Edited my original post

2 hours ago, AirlineFlyer said:

Meanwhile, Verizon's eNB 84484 in Fort Greene has been updated to include C-band and CBRS, but not mmWave. I've seen this a few times now on updated Verizon sites where it's just the CBRS antenna on its own, not in a shroud and without mmWave. Odd.

I've noticed the same thing lately and have just assumed that they're skipping it now because they're finally able to deploy mmWave small cells.