S4GRU Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Found 3x3 B26 live in Puyallup tonight! It's happening! Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiWavelength Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 I’m with you in that I agree all south facing sectors should go straight to 5x5 B26. Yes, because omnidirectional antennas on handsets never radiate north. AJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4GRU Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Yes, because omnidirectional antennas on handsets never radiate north. AJ Yes, but the signal from handsets is much, much weaker. And the precedent does exist. We have seen broadcast on sectors facing away from borders before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThorson Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Happy to hear b26 is slowly making its way into northern WA but I hope we will start seeing it in Seattle soon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4GRU Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Happy to hear b26 is slowly making its way into northern WA but I hope we will start seeing it in Seattle soon. Supposedly a site live at Richmond Beach over in North Seattle/Shoreline. Robert 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oversight Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Supposedly a site live at Richmond Beach over in North Seattle/Shoreline. Robert Nice to see that it's finally starting to happen in wwa. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiWavelength Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Yes, but the signal from handsets is much, much weaker. And the precedent does exist. We have seen broadcast on sectors facing away from borders before. Dozens or hundreds of handsets transmitting at up to 200 mW are not necessarily "much, much weaker" signal. And unlike for base station antennas, HAAT (height above average terrain) for handsets is entirely unpredictable -- skyscrapers, mountaintops, airplanes, etc. AJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4GRU Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Dozens or hundreds of handsets transmitting at up to 200 mW are not necessarily "much, much weaker" signal. And unlike for base station antennas, HAAT (height above average terrain) for handsets is entirely unpredictable -- skyscrapers, mountaintops, airplanes, etc. AJ I am not convinced. But it does not matter. It's going to be 3x3. Just a matter of where the 3x3/5x5 dividing line will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiWavelength Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 I am not convinced. But it does not matter. It's going to be 3x3. Just a matter of where the 3x3/5x5 dividing line will be. You do not need to be convinced. But, bar none, the uplink is a risk. In some situations, uplink will radiate across the border enough to create interference. Whether that interference will be frequent or detrimental is questionable. Still, if 3 MHz FDD were the free and clear solution, then it would be deployed on more sectors, including north facing sectors. AJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThorson Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Supposedly a site live at Richmond Beach over in North Seattle/Shoreline. Robert I will check out your rumor in the next few days Robert and let you know 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4GRU Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 I will check out your rumor in the next few days Robert and let you know Just keep in mind that I could not get on B26 until I went in and band locked B41 and B25 off. B25 and B41 is pretty dense in the Seattle area. Hopefully you have the ability to band lock. Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tengen31 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Just keep in mind that I could not get on B26 until I went in and band locked B41 and B25 off. B25 and B41 is pretty dense in the Seattle area. Hopefully you have the ability to band lock. Robert I'm Seattle why would anyone wanna be on B26When The others would be faster? B25 is 10x10 possible 15x15 in the future. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4GRU Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 I'm Seattle why would anyone wanna be on B26When The others would be faster? B25 is 10x10 possible 15x15 in the future. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Because deep in buildings, some between site locations and in rural areas, B26 will be helpful. But no, it is not required for capacity. It will be really useful for VoLTE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tengen31 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Because deep in buildings, some between site locations and in rural areas, B26 will be helpful. But no, it is not required for capacity. It will be really useful for VoLTE.Yeah when it inside buildings phones should just connected to it not have to force it? Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4GRU Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Yeah when it inside buildings phones should just connected to it not have to force it? Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Yes. I was talking about forcing it only for the purposes of locating for tracking purposes. He's going out there to confirm B26 is live. I was letting him know he may need to force it to find it initially. Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThorson Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Yeah, I'll go into ##data# and disable b41 at least and make b26 priority. How exactly do I lock it for b26? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkyeager Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 A few phones allow you to disable b25 with the MSL and ##data# but for most it disables all LTE. Network Signal Guru will allow you to disable B25, but it requires root and seems to favor king root (gasp). It also does not work on all phones or all firmware versions. Sent from my LG-LS997 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThorson Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 A few phones allow you to disable b25 with the MSL and ##data# but for most it disables all LTE. Network Signal Guru will allow you to disable B25, but it requires root and seems to favor king root (gasp). It also does not work on all phones or all firmware versions. Sent from my LG-LS997 using Tapatalk Ok, with that there is a chance I won't be able to lock my phone down completely. I have the S7e stock. I can try and lower the priority and see if that makes any difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkyeager Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Ok, with that there is a chance I won't be able to lock my phone down completely. I have the S7e stock. I can try and lower the priority and see if that makes any difference.In other markets there is another way to increase your odds. Load your phone with a 1x800 prl which will then look to b26 LTE 800 for LTE. Update prl when done testing. This assumes a market has 1x800 before b26 LTE 800. With VoLTE beginning, they could choose not to do 1x800 in West Washington. Sent from my LG-LS997 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThorson Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 So I saw this in Tukwila.... very weak but still there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4GRU Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 36 minutes ago, JThorson said: So I saw this in Tukwila.... very weak but still there It's on the Doubletree Hotel roof, just south of Southcenter Mall. I found that site a few weeks ago. It's shown on the B26 update map. Thanks for the report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAvirani Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Good news: the VZW/Sprint spectrum swap in the Seattle market has finally happened. Now Verizon is running a single 10x10 PCS LTE carrier and Sprint has enough contiguous spectrum to turn PCS LTE up to 15 MHz FDD. On an unrelated note, Verizon turned 5x5 B5 LTE on market wide this week, squeezing all of their CDMA into just 5 MHz FDD. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAvirani Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Here's a quick summary of the competitive landscape post spectrum swaps in the greater Seattle area: AT&T: - 10x10 B12/17 - 5 MHz B29 - 5x5 B5 - 20x20 B2 - 10x10 B30 Verizon: - 10x10 B13 - 5x5 B5 - 20x20 B4 - 10x10 B2/25 (MFBI is live across the market) Sprint: - 3x3 B26 - 10x10 (soon to be 15x15) B25 - 60MHz B41 T-Mobile: - 5x5 B12 - 20x20 B4 -10x10 B2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawvega Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 1 hour ago, RAvirani said: Here's a quick summary of the competitive landscape post spectrum swaps in the greater Seattle area: Verizon: - 10x10 B13 - 5x5 B5 - 20x20 B4 - 10x10 B2/25 (MFBI is live across the market) That's interesting. Out of curiosity, why is VZW broadcasting B25 LTE via MFBI? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkyeager Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 2 hours ago, RAvirani said: Here's a quick summary of the competitive landscape post spectrum swaps in the greater Seattle area: AT&T: - 10x10 B12/17 - 5 MHz B29 - 5x5 B5 - 20x20 B2 - 10x10 B30 Verizon: - 10x10 B13 - 5x5 B5 - 20x20 B4 - 10x10 B2/25 (MFBI is live across the market) Sprint: - 3x3 B26 - 10x10 (soon to be 15x15) B25 - 60MHz B41 T-Mobile: - 5x5 B12 - 20x20 B4 -10x10 B2 I did not realize that other carriers used so much 5x5. B26 is not as out of place as I thought, even at 3x3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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