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I highly doubt that it will make it outside of metro and the surrounding suburban areas. Beyond those areas, it's really not needed as 1900 and 800 should be more than sufficient. 

I meant the towers in the major urban areas and surburbs. Don't really care about the rural towns

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I meant the towers in the major urban areas and surburbs. Don't really care about the rural towns

 

In that case, I think we will see something like that happen. It sounds like most major metros, most top markets even should see the 2500 LTE rollout. Whether it's on every tower, or how that works, I'm not sure we know that at this point.

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Yeah I think that LTE on 800mhz and 1900mhz is good enough for the smaller cities.

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The key for successful 2.5 TD-LTE deployment and really make use of the spectrum and an impact on the overall Sprint network is to expand the TD-LTE footprint to at least the top 100 markets in the metro areas which means beyond the current Wimax markets. This is my hope for Son and Sprint to spend the necessary capex to accomplish this.

is there a list of the top 100 markets anywhere

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is there a list of the top 100 markets anywhere

 

I don't know. My version of market size is likely different than the way Sprint sees it, but this is how I categorize the top 100 markets. 

 

http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets

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I don't know. My version of market size is likely different than the way Sprint sees it, but this is how I categorize the top 100 markets. 

 

http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets

 

Springfield, MO is somehow number 74???  Oh, I see why you like that list...

 

;)

 

AJ

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Springfield, MO is somehow number 74???  Oh, I see why you like that list...

 

;)

 

AJ

 

Yeah..... that's one of the odd ones. There's a million people in the viewing area ;)

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Yeah..... that's one of the odd ones. There's a million people in the viewing area ;)

 

I could crack a joke about how many of them actually have "one of them newfangled 'piture boxes'," but I will keep it focused on the objective info.

 

I suspect that the Springfield TV market is quite expansive.  On this side of the border, the Wichita-Hutchinson TV market, for example, occupies basically the western two thirds of Kansas.  Many repeater/translator stations.

 

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found this list, though it is based off the 2000 census 

 

 

Check out Appendix D from this document on the FCC's Website:

http://ftp.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Ca...1/fcc01362.doc

A. 100 Largest MSAs and Their Populations: Year 2000 Census



1. New York--Northern New Jersey--Long Island, NY--NJ--CT--PA CMSA
21,199,865

2. Los Angeles--Riverside--Orange County, CA CMSA
16,373,645

3. Chicago--Gary--Kenosha, IL--IN--WI CMSA
9,157,540

4. Washington--Baltimore, DC--MD--VA--WV CMSA
7,608,070

5. San Francisco--Oakland--San Jose, CA CMSA
7,039,362

6. Philadelphia--Wilmington--Atlantic City, PA--NJ--DE--MD CMSA
6,188,463

7. Boston--Worcester--Lawrence, MA--NH--ME--CT CMSA
5,819,100

8. Detroit--Ann Arbor--Flint, MI CMSA
5,456,428

9. Dallas--Fort Worth, TX CMSA
5,221,801

10. Houston--Galveston--Brazoria, TX CMSA
4,669,571

11. Atlanta, GA MSA
4,112,198

12. Miami--Fort Lauderdale, FL CMSA
3,876,380

13. Seattle--Tacoma--Bremerton, WA CMSA
3,554,760

14. Phoenix--Mesa, AZ MSA
3,251,876

15. Minneapolis--St. Paul, MN--WI MSA
2,968,806

16. Cleveland--Akron, OH CMSA
2,945,831

17. San Diego, CA MSA
2,813,833

18. St. Louis, MO--IL MSA
2,603,607

19. Denver--Boulder--Greeley, CO CMSA
2,581,506

20. San Juan--Caguas--Arecibo, PR CMSA
2,450,292

21. Tampa--St. Petersburg--Clearwater, FL MSA
2,395,997

22. Pittsburgh, PA MSA
2,358,695

23. Portland--Salem, OR--WA CMSA
2,265,223

24. Cincinnati--Hamilton, OH--KY--IN CMSA
1,979,202

25. Sacramento--Yolo, CA CMSA
1,796,857

26. Kansas City, MO--KS MSA
1,776,062

27. Milwaukee--Racine, WI CMSA
1,689,572

28. Orlando, FL MSA
1,644,561

29. Indianapolis, IN MSA
1,607,486

30. San Antonio, TX MSA
1,592,383

31. Norfolk--Virginia Beach--Newport News, VA--NC MSA
1,569,541

32. Las Vegas, NV--AZ MSA
1,563,282

33. Columbus, OH MSA
1,540,157

34. Charlotte--Gastonia--Rock Hill, NC--SC MSA
1,499,293

35. New Orleans, LA MSA
1,337,726

36. Salt Lake City--Ogden, UT MSA
1,333,914

37. Greensboro--Winston-Salem--High Point, NC MSA
1,251,509

38. Austin--San Marcos, TX MSA
1,249,763

39. Nashville, TN MSA
1,231,311

40. Providence--Fall River--Warwick, RI--MA MSA
1,188,613

41. Raleigh--Durham--Chapel Hill, NC MSA
1,187,941

42. Hartford, CT MSA
1,183,110

43. Buffalo--Niagara Falls, NY MSA
1,170,111

44. Memphis, TN--AR--MS MSA
1,135,614

45. West Palm Beach--Boca Raton, FL MSA
1,131,184

46. Jacksonville, FL MSA
1,100,491

47. Rochester, NY MSA
1,098,201

48. Grand Rapids--Muskegon--Holland, MI MSA
1,088,514

49. Oklahoma City, OK MSA
1,083,346

50. Louisville, KY--IN MSA
1,025,598

51. Richmond--Petersburg, VA MSA
996,512

52. Greenville--Spartanburg--Anderson, SC MSA
962,441

53. Dayton--Springfield, OH MSA
950,558

54. Fresno, CA MSA
922,516

55. Birmingham, AL MSA
921,106

56. Honolulu, HI MSA
876,156

57. Albany--Schenectady--Troy, NY MSA
875,583

58. Tucson, AZ MSA
843,746

59. Tulsa, OK MSA
803,235

60. Syracuse, NY MSA
732,117

61. Omaha, NE--IA MSA
716,998

62. Albuquerque, NM MSA
712,738

63. Knoxville, TN MSA
687,249

64. El Paso, TX MSA
679,622

65. Bakersfield, CA MSA
661,645

66. Allentown--Bethlehem--Easton, PA MSA
637,958

67. Harrisburg--Lebanon--Carlisle, PA MSA
629,401

68. Scranton--Wilkes-Barre--Hazleton, PA MSA
624,776

69. Toledo, OH MSA
618,203

70. Baton Rouge, LA MSA
602,894

71. Youngstown--Warren, OH MSA
594,746

72. Springfield, MA MSA
591,932

73. Sarasota--Bradenton, FL MSA
589,959

74. Little Rock--North Little Rock, AR MSA
583,845

75. McAllen--Edinburg--Mission, TX MSA
569,463

76. Stockton--Lodi, CA MSA
563,598

77. Charleston--North Charleston, SC MSA
549,033

78. Wichita, KS MSA
545,220

79. Mobile, AL MSA
540,258

80. Columbia, SC MSA
536,691

81. Colorado Springs, CO MSA
516,929

82. Fort Wayne, IN MSA
502,141

83. Daytona Beach, FL MSA
493,175

84. Lakeland--Winter Haven, FL MSA
483,924

85. Johnson City--Kingsport--Bristol, TN--VA MSA
480,091

86. Lexington, KY MSA
479,198

87. Augusta--Aiken, GA--SC MSA
477,441

88. Melbourne--Titusville--Palm Bay, FL MSA
476,230

89. Lancaster, PA MSA
470,658

90. Chattanooga, TN--GA MSA
465,161

91. Des Moines, IA MSA
456,022

92. Kalamazoo--Battle Creek, MI MSA
452,851

93. Lansing--East Lansing, MI MSA
447,728

94. Modesto, CA MSA
446,997

95. Fort Myers--Cape Coral, FL MSA
440,888

96. Jackson, MS MSA
440,801

97. Boise City, ID MSA
432,345

98. Madison, WI MSA
426,526

99. Spokane, WA MSA
417,939

100. Pensacola, FL MSA
412,153


Read more: http://cellphoneforums.net/alt-cellular-cingular/t87328-top-100-cellular-markets.html#ixzz2ZdXxRaUJ

 

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I could crack a joke about how many of them actually have "one of them newfangled 'piture boxes'," but I will keep it focused on the objective info.

 

:rolleyes:

 

 

I suspect that the Springfield TV market is quite expansive.  On this side of the border, the Wichita-Hutchinson TV market, for example, occupies basically the western two thirds of Kansas.  Many repeater/translator stations.

AJ

 

Springfield is one of the smallest, top 100 market cities that has so many people residing outside of the main focal point of the market.

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:rolleyes:

David, David, living in Missouri for so long, it is starting to rub off on you. You are forgetting your Kansas roots.

 

Springfield is one of the smallest, top 100 market cities that has so many people residing outside of the main focal point of the market.

I seem to recall that we had this discussion once before. Your station's call sign is KRBK, correct? And it has multiple, on channel repeaters. I think that is somewhat unusual for 8-VSB DTV.

 

AJ

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David, David, living in Missouri for so long, it is starting to rub off on you. You are forgetting your Kansas roots.

 

Not in the least. And I'm from Colorado. So there.   :P

 

 

I seem to recall that we had this discussion once before. Your station's call sign is KRBK, correct? And it has multiple, on channel repeaters. I think that is somewhat unusual for 8-VSB DTV.

AJ

 

Yes, we have 5 transmitters, only because the FCC wouldn't grant us a license to build/borrow a big enough tower to cover the whole region like the other channels. Only one other station uses the system we use, and I was told that they actually stopped using it recently. 

 

Umm. Oh yeah. Clear. Sprint. 2500 LTE. Something like that. 

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Umm. Oh yeah. Clear. Sprint. 2500 LTE. Something like that. 

 

Okay, with its five transmitters, your station is employing unity frequency reuse.  I am curious if Clearwire TD-LTE 2600 will do so or if the TD-LTE 2600 carrier will vary in EARFCN by site/sector.

 

Alright, we are back on topic...

 

;)

 

AJ

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So sprint is gonna keep all these clear sites that are launching 2600? I thought they were gonna sell off clear sites when wimax was shutdown in a couple of years?

 

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Okay, with its five transmitters, your station is employing unity frequency reuse.  I am curious if Clearwire TD-LTE 2600 will do so or if the TD-LTE 2600 carrier will vary in EARFCN by site/sector.

 

Alright, we are back on topic...

 

;)

 

AJ

 

Since they use the same signal, we've got some serious dead zones, not even 10 miles outside of town. It really sucks, and there's nothing we can do about it. 

 

Hopefully Clear doesn't run into that. ;)

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So sprint is gonna keep all these clear sites that are launching 2600? I thought they were gonna sell off clear sites when wimax was shutdown in a couple of years?

 

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If they got LTE, I'd imagine they're staying. There may be some that they elected not to put LTE on, which may get removed whenever WiMax is actually shut down.

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Was that the plan all along? Would it be safe to assume that they may put 800 and 1900 lte on those clear sites one day? Does anyone know where sprint and clear co-locate on the same sites in those cities that are currently launching 2600 lte?

 

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Was that the plan all along? Would it be safe to assume that they may put 800 and 1900 lte on those clear sites one day? Does anyone know where sprint and clear co-locate on the same sites in those cities that are currently launching 2600 lte?

 

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Clear shows it's towers on it's coverage maps. And you have access to the our Sprint ones, match 'em up?

 

As far as putting 1900 or 800 on Clear sites, probably not. Unless they really need the capacity, any Clear site that isn't already a Sprint site would probably be redundant coverage in the area. 

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Yeah i guess I meant putting 800/1900 on clear sites where there is no native sprint coverage.

 

So basically sprint wimax users who complained about losing wimax when they went to lte, are gonna get 4g back.

 

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Yeah i guess I meant putting 800/1900 on clear sites where there is no native sprint coverage.

 

So basically sprint wimax users who complained about losing wimax when they went to lte, are gonna get 4g back.

 

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I don't believe there is any official WiMax coverage where there is not already Sprint coverage. I don't think they'll be touching the protection sites for the time being.

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Was that the plan all along? Would it be safe to assume that they may put 800 and 1900 lte on those clear sites one day? Does anyone know where sprint and clear co-locate on the same sites in those cities that are currently launching 2600 lte?

 

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40% of Clearwire sites are colocated on the same site with Sprint. Eventually these will all be decommissioned at rolled into Network Vision at a minimum.

 

The other 60% will have to be evaluated whether they are redundant ton the Sprint network or provide additional coverage. I imagine a lot of Clearwire sites will be decommissioned to save money. Especially in places where it is completely redundant.

 

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The other 60% will have to be evaluated whether they are redundant ton the Sprint network or provide additional coverage.

 

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So in places where they do provide additional coverage, do you think they'll add 800/1900 to the clear site?

 

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So in places where they do provide additional coverage, do you think they'll add 800/1900 to the clear site?

 

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It's too early to say. But I think that under SoftBank, there's a good chance of converting Clearwire sites that would expand the Sprint network coverage or density (where needed) to Network Vision 800/1900.

 

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Interesting times. Can't wait for the phones.

 

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40% of Clearwire sites are colocated on the same site with Sprint. Eventually these will all be decommissioned at rolled into Network Vision at a minimum.

 

The other 60% will have to be evaluated whether they are redundant ton the Sprint network or provide additional coverage. I imagine a lot of Clearwire sites will be decommissioned to save money. Especially in places where it is completely redundant.

 

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The huge tower 300 yards from my door has both Sprint and  Clearwire on it. The next up the road is Clearwire on a large tower behind the grocery store and Sprint on a billboard in front of the store.  Sounds like a chance to save some money there somewhere.

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