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I'm certain that it's been posted before but it is worth stating again how

ironic it is that the entetainment & gambling center of all the MSAs iinthe

whole country will be one of the very last markets to be launched!

The logic of this to me is nothing less than stupefying and defies even

a modicum of common sense for Sprint..

It still comes down to the DAS systems in The Strip Casinos, and the macro sites/DAS at McCarran International. And since Vegas won't be getting LTE 800 for the time being, and 8T8R equipment is up in many locations around the city, then launching LTE & Spark at the same time could be the goal of Sprint at this time.

 

But even then, I have too many variables just in my scenario. Frankly, it's smart of Sprint not to officially launch Las Vegas until the DAS systems are substantially complete. Besides, most people in Las Vegas know that Sprint LTE is all over the city.

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Josh...all of this is understood and has been explained here many times..my post

implicitly was pointing to the fact that 32 million + folks fly here every year to be

entertained and to deposit their hard earned monies into our local economy..one would

have thought that Vegas would be a tier 1 market for that reason alone..it's the

Sprint decision-making logic that I find hard to comprehend...with my thimble full

of knowledge I would have imagined the Sprint rollout of LTE and NV to go:  New York

msa, LA  msa,  Las Vegas msa, SF-San Jose msa...these are the areas of highest

economic dynamics and output...sitting here scratching my head

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Josh...all of this is understood and has been explained here many times..my post

implicitly was pointing to the fact that 32 million + folks fly here every year to be

entertained and to deposit their hard earned monies into our local economy..one would

have thought that Vegas would be a tier 1 market for that reason alone..it's the

Sprint decision-making logic that I find hard to comprehend...with my thimble full

of knowledge I would have imagined the Sprint rollout of LTE and NV to go: New York

msa, LA msa, Las Vegas msa, SF-San Jose msa...these are the areas of highest

economic dynamics and output...sitting here scratching my head

From the day it was announced here that Las Vegas wasn't part of the First Round Markets I scratched my head. When it wasn't included in the 2nd round I was dumbfounded. None of us has any answer to why Sprint waited on Vegas. And we may never know the answer to that question. But statistically, Vegas may have been worse off if it had been part of the 1st round after seeing how long it took LA for buildout.

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The problem with the Vegas market is that the strip is your tourist draw. It also happens to be the one place where Sprint lte service is terrible, so that leaves a bad taste with several million tourists/subs every year. Residents know that the majority of every other tower has LTE, and service is probably pretty decent in the valley. It's like two worlds. My dad lives there so I actually am able to be a tourist who leaves the strip. I can't wait to see how it has progressed since I was there two years ago, because it was pretty terrible. On a side note: my bachelor party kicks off straight from McCarren to the exotics racing driving experience, and I'm so excited, I can't sit still. Have any of you guys done that?

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On a side note: my bachelor party kicks off straight from McCarren to the exotics racing driving experience, and I'm so excited, I can't sit still. Have any of you guys done that?

That sounds awesome! Id be happy with a 5 lap run on a Stingray Z51 with manual shift. That would probably be the most engaging of all considering its the only one that is probably stick.

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It's expensive, but they have cars that I would never be able to afford to drive in my life. Definitely doing it.

 

Here's the car list

http://www.exoticsracing.com/?source=AdWords&campaign=Cars%2520Search&adgroup=*exotic%2520cars%2520las%2520vegas&kw=exotic%2520cars%2520las%2520vegas&gclid=CKP6nP2_ucACFYqEfgodeRQA-Q

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It's expensive, but they have cars that I would never be able to afford to drive in my life. Definitely doing it.

 

Here's the car list

http://www.exoticsracing.com/?source=AdWords&campaign=Cars%2520Search&adgroup=*exotic%2520cars%2520las%2520vegas&kw=exotic%2520cars%2520las%2520vegas&gclid=CKP6nP2_ucACFYqEfgodeRQA-Q

 

So, in Chicago, you drive all day, every day, for a living.  Then you are going on vacation in Vegas, and you are going to . . . drive?  O-o-o-o-kay.

 

(Alright, I realize that the vehicles will be slightly different than your usual daily ride. But, still . . . :hmm: )

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So either point me to the post or explain to me who owns these DAS systems, that are taking for ever to get done??

 

Because as it was stated many times, it stupifies me that a HUGE tourist attraction not to mention, oh yea TRADE SHOWS AND CONFERENCES that take place here and business people everywhere who need their devices to work, and dont....

 

anyway it is what it is now....

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So, in Chicago, you drive all day, every day, for a living. Then you are going on vacation in Vegas, and you are going to . . . drive? O-o-o-o-kay.

 

(Alright, I realize that the vehicles will be slightly different than your usual daily ride. But, still . . . :hmm: )

A semi truck is quite different from a Lamborghini. :)

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A semi truck is quite different from a Lamborghini. :)

 

Nah, it's just a subtle difference in driving style :D .  A little more gas here, a little less brake there, and they would be indistinguishable.  (At least, that seems to be how some truckers drive.)  (Of course, I've never driven either a semi or a Lamborghini, which makes me an instant expert on both!)

 

Back on topic, I will be quite interested to hear your comparison between LV and Chicago after your visit, as I am scheduled for a family visit plus a trade show in Vegas at the end of January.

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I made it to Las Vegas last night and Sprint has been very quick to show LTE coverage where no coverage will be found. They increased the the power a little on the site in Primm, NV and it almost reaches Jean, NV which is not currently LTE. Sprint's map shows the area covered.Tower in Jean has been upgraded but not active. Further north in Sloan, no LTE.

 

Entering the city on I-15 NB, you start LTE coverage at St. Rose Parkway. Arounbd the Silverton Casino you're able to connect to B41 sites, which are NOT Clearwire conversions as the old Wimax network runs on Motorola gear.

Downtown Las Vegas (Fremont Street) has also very nice LTE B41 coverage. Speeds are a little disappointing considering that I experienced 70MB down in San Jose just last weekend. Las Vegas seems to be capped at 30MB down. Not sure if that will change or why speeds are so slow.

Some of the B25/B41 towers that are ready are not active yet because you see panels ready and equipment in place but Sprint has not activated them. I hope this will change soon.

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Tower in Jean has been upgraded but not active.

I would like to have pictures of that please. Last we remember, the Jean site was a GMO and wasn't going to receive new panels in the near term. It'll be nice to see another GMO conversion. It would be the 2nd one on I-15.

 

 

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I would like to have pictures of that please. Last we remember, the Jean site was a GMO and wasn't going to receive new panels in the near term. It'll be nice to see another GMO conversion. It would be the 2nd one on I-15.

 

 

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I will stop on my way back to California if I can. Still, Idk why the B41 speed seems to be limited to 30MB down.

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I will stop on my way back to California if I can. Still, Idk why the B41 speed seems to be limited to 30MB down.

FIT testing. When full integration takes place, they should be able to go full speed.

 

 

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FIT testing. When full integration takes place, they should be able to go full speed.

 

 

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This is so odd, because some of the old B41 sites that I found earlier are now offline and not broadcasting, others finally showed up. Coverage maps are still not matching real coverage

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This is so odd, because some of the old B41 sites that I found earlier are now offline and not broadcasting, others finally showed up. Coverage maps are still not matching real coverage

It's all still in testing. Things should wrap up soon.

 

 

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Sadly, my sense, Josh is that the LV MSA is way behind other MSAs for B41 install

and integration: behind San Diego, SLC, Denver, LA/OC, SF/San Jose..you name it..

my additional sense is the old non-upgradeable Wimax gear enters into this equation

of LV not being in the top 5 or 6 Sprint Spark hubs talked about in the other thread..Son

may be waiting to decommission most of the Wimax towers to get the B41 coverage model

we all want...this being an economic/cost decision..if this is true we won't have a true

B41 coverage model integrated with B25/26 for a couple more years...just my $.2

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Sadly, my sense, Josh is that the LV MSA is way behind other MSAs for B41 install

and integration: behind San Diego, SLC, Denver, LA/OC, SF/San Jose..you name it..

my additional sense is the old non-upgradeable Wimax gear enters into this equation

of LV not being in the top 5 or 6 Sprint Spark hubs talked about in the other thread..Son

may be waiting to decommission most of the Wimax towers to get the B41 coverage model

we all want...this being an economic/cost decision..if this is true we won't have a true

B41 coverage model integrated with B25/26 for a couple more years...just my $.2

Nope. You're completely wrong.

 

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Sadly, my sense, Josh is that the LV MSA is way behind other MSAs for B41 install

and integration: behind San Diego, SLC, Denver, LA/OC, SF/San Jose..you name it..

my additional sense is the old non-upgradeable Wimax gear enters into this equation

of LV not being in the top 5 or 6 Sprint Spark hubs talked about in the other thread..Son

may be waiting to decommission most of the Wimax towers to get the B41 coverage model

we all want...this being an economic/cost decision..if this is true we won't have a true

B41 coverage model integrated with B25/26 for a couple more years...just my $.2

 

Las Vegas is one of the target cities... they're going gangbusters on 8T8R installs. Once FIT testing wraps up you should see quite a bit of B41 coverage. 

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Nope. You're completely wrong.

 

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Sorry...I live here...I can't be completely wrong (with all due

respect to your knowledge & position) ; orangeblues latest trip

and evidence suggests we are a long ways from total integration;

I've NEVER connected to B41 with my Zing anywhere in the valley

here!! I've also not seen any evidence on the Premier Sponsor

maps for B41...You need source and backup information that

"I'm completely wrong" "..I hope I am..

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Las Vegas is one of the target cities... they're going gangbusters on 8T8R installs. Once FIT testing wraps up you should see quite a bit of B41 coverage. 

 

 

I hope so..I remain skeptical..I know of only tower south of 215 equipped with the new panels;

it is not broadcasting

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Sorry...I live here...I can't be completely wrong (with all due

respect to your knowledge & position) ; orangeblues latest trip

and evidence suggests we are a long ways from total integration;

I've NEVER connected to B41 with my Zing anywhere in the valley

here!! I've also not seen any evidence on the Premier Sponsor

maps for B41...You need source and backup information that

"I'm completely wrong" "..I hope I am..

 

 

8T8R is under field testing and all deployments are covered under strict NDAs to prevent leakage of deployment details to the general public. Strict penalties are in place for those who speak of the deployment, take pictures, and / or activate the equipment which is strictly against the rules of the deployment until the testing in the vendor FITs are complete. 

 

Las Vegas is one of the regions ALcatel-Lucent started on back in March / April alongside many other regions. The very fact you don't see new antennas installed or B41 live on your devices in your local area does not mean they are not deploying elsewhere in the region. 

 

Also with Re: to maps and tracking. You can ask Josh about that.

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8T8R is under field testing and all deployments are covered under strict NDAs to prevent leakage of deployment details to the general public. Strict penalties are in place for those who speak of the deployment, take pictures, and / or activate the equipment which is strictly against the rules of the deployment until the testing in the vendor FITs are complete. 

 

Las Vegas is one of the regions ALcatel-Lucent started on back in March / April alongside many other regions. The very fact you don't see new antennas installed or B41 live on your devices in your local area does not mean they are not deploying elsewhere in the region. 

 

Also with Re: to maps and tracking. You can ask Josh about that.

That's certainly better than "you are completely wrong"  thanx for the info; I just don't get it;

I have an engineering background; if LV MSA is delayed getting B26 because of interference issues

stemming from San Bernadino County how can Sprint possibly integrate B41 into their B25

coverage w/o doing the optimizations all over again a year later when B26 comes along; this

along with the wimax issues; I guess I should be happy to have any 4G LTE at all here..

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