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Orange County Network Vision/LTE Deployment schedule update

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by Robert Herron

Sprint 4G Rollout Updates

Monday, July 9, 2012 - 6:00 AM MDT

 

The next market in our Network Vision/LTE deployment schedule update series is...Orange County, California. The Orange County market has yet to be announced by Sprint, and may not be announced until as late as this Fall.

 

The Sprint Orange County market includes Anaheim, Santa Ana, Irvine, Costa Mesa, Huntington Beach, Newport Beach, Orange, Fullerton, Laguna Niguel and Mission Viejo. Sprint's Network Vision OEM Alcatel/Lucent is scheduled to begin mobilizing their subcontractors around the market in September. The first completed Network Vision sites are scheduled to start coming online in October.

 

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Anticipated Sites Complete at Market Launch. According to the Network Vision schedules that S4GRU has reviewed, if Sprint launched the market in April, these are the anticipated sites that would likely have LTE complete at that time. This would provide fairly good LTE coverage over many parts of the market.

 

Schedule details and the bottom line

 

Sprint has not selected a date to formally "launch" LTE service in Orange County, yet. It is difficult to try to pick a date now this far out, but we will try. In looking at the schedule as of today, it would indicate a April - May market launch (going on a 40% - 50% completion for launch). But there is no way to know if AlcaLu and their subcontractors will actually hit their schedule dates this early in the deployment for this market. We will be able to gauge better after a few months of production.

 

Alcatel/Lucent needs to hit a production rate of only 35 sites per month to stay on schedule. This is a pretty low amount compared to many markets. There is no reason why they should not be able to complete the market on time, and there is a good chance that they may even be able to get ahead of schedule.

 

S4GRU has examined the schedule in great detail in this market and sees that most of the sites will be complete by August 2013. However, there may be a few sporadic sites that will linger past the completion.

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Photo of Newport Center provided courtesy of Wikimedia Commons.

 

NOTE: S4GRU Sponsor Members can track regular updates of

Network Vision sites completed nationwide. Completed sites are shown in an interactive Google Maps interface. Information about sponsorship can be found here: S4GRU Sponsorship

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ericdabbs

Wow only 35 sites a month???? Dang I was expecting about 50-60 sites a month. I am disappointed it didnt make a March release.

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S4GRU

Wow only 35 sites a month???? Dang I was expecting about 50-60 sites a month. I am disappointed it didnt make a March release.

 

I think it all comes down to backhaul availbility. That is the biggest driver in deployment schedule. The backhaul install schedule is what it is. So if you're Sprint, what do you do?

 

Do you let the backhaul crews get farther out ahead and you delay the start by 2-3 months and then do 50-60 sites per month? Or do you start as soon as the first 30 sites or so have backhaul and deploy at a slower rate?

 

To me it makes more sense to start as soon as possible so customers see the work is going on and build entusiasm, than to wait until the back end of the market schedule and blow through it all at once. Because either way, with the backhaul schedule being what it is, the finish date is the same either way.

 

Seems kind of bizarre that northern Orange County has been left out of the mix (Brea, Placentia, Yorba Linda, Anaheim Hills)

 

Only left out of the first 40% of sites. Those area will receive Network Vision/LTE deployment. The map only shows what is scheduled to be complete as of market launch day. Market launch is more ceremonial than anything. Deployment is active before, during and after launch until the market is complete.

 

Robert

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ericdabbs

I think it all comes down to backhaul availbility. That is the biggest driver in deployment schedule. The backhaul install schedule is what it is. So if you're Sprint, what do you do?Do you let the backhaul crews get farther out ahead and you delay the start by 2-3 months and then do 50-60 sites per month? Or do you start as soon as the first 30 sites or so have backhaul and deploy at a slower rate?To me it makes more sense to start as soon as possible so customers see the work is going on and build entusiasm, than to wait until the back end of the market schedule and blow through it all at once. Because either way, with the backhaul schedule being what it is, the finish date is the same either way.

 

Robert

 

I agree that Sprint should start NV build out ASAP to get progress going and bring backhaul online to those completed sites as soon as its available. I totally forgot the other potential delay was the availability of backhaul which is not the vendors fault in this case Alcatel Lucent.

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Celz

Tough Pill to swallow... I don't know if I can wait a year for decent 4g coverage on Sprint.. When I ALREADY have decent 4G coverage on Sprint.. It's either leave or jump on the GS2 and ride WiMax for another year which isn't bad but the GS2 is almost a year old already..

 

Edit: Man I just pulled 8200 down and 1400 up in Anaheim indoors not by any windows... I can't go back to 3G

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S4GRU

Tough Pill to swallow... I don't know if I can wait a year for decent 4g coverage on Sprint.. When I ALREADY have decent 4G coverage on Sprint.. It's either leave or jump on the GS2 and ride WiMax for another year which isn't bad but the GS2 is almost a year old already..Edit: Man I just pulled 8200 down and 1400 up in Anaheim indoors not by any windows... I can't go back to 3G

 

Understood. There is a third option. You can go ahead and move up to a LTE device and get a WiMax MiFi. You keep it with you and use it during those times when the 3G is unusable. There are a few people doing this now.

 

Robert

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ericdabbs

Tough Pill to swallow... I don't know if I can wait a year for decent 4g coverage on Sprint.. When I ALREADY have decent 4G coverage on Sprint.. It's either leave or jump on the GS2 and ride WiMax for another year which isn't bad but the GS2 is almost a year old already..Edit: Man I just pulled 8200 down and 1400 up in Anaheim indoors not by any windows... I can't go back to 3G

 

Why not just wait until 2013 to get a LTE phone? You will definitely get a better LTE phone than in 2012. If you are ok with Wimax until LTE comes out that would be the path I would go. I assume by your comment that you are thinking about extending your contract with a LTE phone by I would save that upgrade until next year and pick up a Wimax phone on craigslist if you really need 4G. If you did get a LTE phone, keep in mind that LTE would exist in the LA county area starting Sept. Either way to each and their own.

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nomoresoupforyou
Only left out of the first 40% of sites. Those area will receive Network Vision/LTE deployment. The map only shows what is scheduled to be complete as of market launch day. Market launch is more ceremonial than anything. Deployment is active before, during and after launch until the market is complete.

 

Makes sense. Didn't think we'd be shunned forever, but good to know. Thanks!

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Celz

Understood. There is a third option. You can go ahead and move up to a LTE device and get a WiMax MiFi. You keep it with you and use it during those times when the 3G is unusable. There are a few people doing this now.Robert

 

Thanks I plan on donating soon just because you guys are so passionate about helping out..

 

But I may go the mifi route.. This is a tough choice because GSM coverage sucks in So Cal T-mobile is ok but WiMax is wayyy better than HSPA in my experience. And VZW is completely evil so I wouldn't feel comfortable signing 2 years with them. Maybe Ill get a GS2 this summer and see how long I can stretch it.. Thanks!

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P_M_G

This further cements my decision to wait on an LTE upgrade device until the rollout in the OC is lit up. My rooted 3D will do the trick for a few more months and by then the EVO4GLTE and GSIII will be old news (I hope) as the fresh batch of rumored phones will be in full swing.

 

Hell I may wait until xmas now...

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fastchase

Unbelievable. I'll be taking my Galaxy S3 that I bought today back now. By the time the networks are up it will be utterly obsolete. Amazing that the salespeople forgot to even mention this.

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S4GRU

Unbelievable. I'll be taking my Galaxy S3 that I bought today back now. By the time the networks are up it will be utterly obsolete. Amazing that the salespeople forgot to even mention this.

 

Sales people don't actually know. The information on our site is not public knowledge or even information shared with Sales People. It comes from internal sources from within Sprint Corporate and their Network Vision OEM's and subcontractors. If it could be deployed faster, it would. They are starting with LA County first and then moving over to Orange County next.

 

Robert

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fastchase

Sales people don't actually know. The information on our site is not public knowledge or even information shared with Sales People. It comes from internal sources from within Sprint Corporate and their Network Vision OEM's and subcontractors. If it could be deployed faster, it would. They are starting with LA County first and then moving over to Orange County next.Robert

 

 

Well I had the Evo Shift, which has Wimax 4g, so I assumed when the salesperson assured me that the Galaxy S3 had 4g all would be well. How is the average consumer supposed to know that LTE phones will not be able to use WIMAX 4g? Now I'm locked into a 2 year contract, and won't be able to use the LTE 4g for up to a year. I would rather just wait with my old phone and use the WIMAX and renew my contract when LTE is online and I can get a better phone then the S3. Also, in regards to your comment "If it could be deployed faster, it would" Verizon and At&t have LTE up and running in Orange County and around the U.S.

 

I apologize, I'm not usually a troll but this just has me a little heated.

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Well I had the Evo Shift, which has Wimax 4g, so I assumed when the salesperson assured me that the Galaxy S3 had 4g all would be well. How is the average consumer supposed to know that LTE phones will not be able to use WIMAX 4g? Now I'm locked into a 2 year contract, and won't be able to use the LTE 4g for up to a year. I would rather just wait with my old phone and use the WIMAX and renew my contract when LTE is online and I can get a better phone then the S3. Also, in regards to your comment "If it could be deployed faster, it would" Verizon and At&t have LTE up and running in Orange County and around the U.S.

 

I apologize, I'm not usually a troll but this just has me a little heated.

 

I'm sorry that you're unhappy. But I don't know how I can get you heated. We are not Sprint. We are a group of wireless enthusiasts and Sprint customers. I'm just giving you information. It's not my intent to make you unhappy. It's my intent to inform you and millions of others who are not getting the information that they should.

 

Robert

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fastchase

I'm sorry that you're unhappy. But I don't know how I can get you heated. We are not Sprint. We are a group of wireless enthusiasts and Sprint customers. I'm just giving you information. It's not my intent to make you unhappy. It's my intent to inform you and millions of others who are not getting the information that they should. Robert

 

 

I never said that you personally have me heated. I'm unhappy with Sprint. I could care less about your Sprint enthusiast blog. I understand that the purpose of your blog is to give information. When I said "this just has me a little heated" I was referring to the situation. I'm sorry you assume that everyone doesn't like you.

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S4GRU

I never said that you personally have me heated. I'm unhappy with Sprint. I could care less about your Sprint enthusiast blog. I understand that the purpose of your blog is to give information. When I said "this just has me a little heated" I was referring to the situation. I'm sorry you assume that everyone doesn't like you.

 

I'm not sure what your tactic is to come and troll and flame the site owner, for no meaningful purpose. But since you dislike Sprint, and you do not care about our blog, it will be of no consequence to you when I block you from our page.

 

I made no assumption that you didn't like me. And I certainly don't make any assumptions that everyone dislikes me. I merely responded to your post, but obviously I am not able to have any meaningful dialogue with you. C'est la vie.

 

Robert

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Ether-NVie

Robert - I have been viewing this site for months, and I don't think there are many people here who dislike you, if any. You and the other key members have always done a terrific job in helping all of us. 'fastchase' obviously has no real idea of what he is doing, taking aim at the wrong people and blogs. He also did not know what he was buying. Also, when he found out his phone did not work on 4G, he had 14 days to take a positive action, and did not do it anything to correct his mistake.

 

I just joined this site as a member and sponsor and am looking forward to a positive experience.

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dsjcho

Any update on LTE in Orange County? I purchased SG3 yesterday and I love the phone, but I hate Sprint's 3G speed. sprint's 3G is horrible during the day. I've been getting 100~300 kbps in the morning, but at night it gets super fast, 2Mbps........

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S4GRU

Any update on LTE in Orange County? I purchased SG3 yesterday and I love the phone, but I hate Sprint's 3G speed. sprint's 3G is horrible during the day. I've been getting 100~300 kbps in the morning, but at night it gets super fast, 2Mbps........

 

It looks like they are starting a little behind schedule. Activity should start before the end of the month, though.

 

Robert

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mbaseball3

Really need some love here in oc. I mean we are a huge county, a media market to la. Even riverside is starting up. I'm currently roaming with 3 towers within a half a mile. Awesome :( though I was at boomers in Irvine last weekend and there's a tower on south east side of bowling alley next to 405. Hit the speedtest and got over 2mbps down. Wish I could haul the tower with me everywhere I go lol.

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mbaseball3

Sprint listened!!!!!!! LOL. My tower that I use the most while at work OG03XC044 is on the map as having NV done. Just in the nick of time with 268mb's of roaming data used with a couple weeks left in cycle. Lets get some LTE now :)

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LfnsR

Hi Robert. Hope you had a great Christmas. Just wandering if there is any update on LTE. The last posting is from 10/24/12. I have been waiting patiently for LTE to come to the OC before upgrading to the Note 2 (currently on EVO 3D). I am trying to hold out to see how it goes, but I am just about ready to switch to Verizon as our coverage gotten worse and worse....to a point that I am not getting much more than 200kbps down(3G as Wimax is so hit and miss to get coverage) for data and we are dropping more and more calls everyday! Been with Sprint for almost 20 years now and would like to stay, but it is getting harder and harder each day.... :) Any updated is appreciated. Thanks.

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S4GRU

Hi Robert. Hope you had a great Christmas. Just wandering if there is any update on LTE. The last posting is from 10/24/12. I have been waiting patiently for LTE to come to the OC before upgrading to the Note 2 (currently on EVO 3D). I am trying to hold out to see how it goes, but I am just about ready to switch to Verizon as our coverage gotten worse and worse....to a point that I am not getting much more than 200kbps down(3G as Wimax is so hit and miss to get coverage) for data and we are dropping more and more calls everyday! Been with Sprint for almost 20 years now and would like to stay, but it is getting harder and harder each day.... :) Any updated is appreciated. Thanks.

 

 

Deployment started in the beginning of December. It will likely be another 45-60 days before the first sites start to go live with LTE. Once they start going live, more and more will go live weekly until the whole county is complete.

 

Robert

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